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Whether or not the number of accidents is rising or falling, I'd seriously doubt that the mortality is doing anything but falling. Modern trains are all-metal shells designed to maintain their structure during most high-speed impacts.

These should be compared with the wooden bodied or metal constructions common as little as 20 years ago. They had little structural integrity and would come apart at even moderate speeds, throwing the passengers all over the track.

Take the Hatfield train crash a few years back. A train left the track on a high speed bend at 100 mph (okay not high speed by French standards but...). 4 people died and only one carriage was significantly damaged. 25 years previously the death toll could have been in the hundreds.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 02:59:28 PM EST
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These should be compared with the wooden bodied or metal constructions common as little as 20 years ago.

You still had 'em in Britain 20 years ago!?!?

At least for the Continent, I must paint a different picture.

The horrific casualties from crashes involving carriages with a wooden or cast-iron frame prompted a programme (starting out from Germany, where the worst of these accidents occured) to phase out the latter completely already before WWII, and continued after the post-war shortages subsided. From the fifties, there have been international standards for express car construction, and passenger cars were not far behind in structural strength.

What railway cars lacked and most still do is crash zones to swallow energy. But I shall give a hint that that doesn't matter that much. Crash zones are useful only at low speeds, say 30 km/h. Above that, you must hope that if the train gets in trouble, it has somewhere to go. If it has room, passengers may be shaken or thrown around, but it should stay in one piece (as happened at Potters Bar). But if not, passengers will be crushed, whether by an entire carriage turning into "crash zone" or by inertial forces banging them against seats or walls in a rigid carbody: the energies involved are just too big. (Talking of which, I once met a taxi driver who used to be a rail accident investigator during 'communism'. He talked of an accident then held secret, when during a military exercise, Soviet Red Army officers slept in a sleeper wagon, whose brakes weren't pulled -- and rolled down the hill, crashing at the back of a freight train with 160 km/h. The car stayed in one piece. The military wouldn't let them in until they removed the corpses, but he told of the horror of all walls having been splattered with blood.)

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by DoDo on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 03:52:08 PM EST
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You still had 'em in Britain 20 years ago!?!?

Yea, it was only when the MkII fleet were phased out after Clapham in the mid 90s that we finally got rid of them.

The UK railway infrastructure has, like so much else in the UK, always been resistant to learning from best practice abroad (unless it's American).

eg The BR standard steam engines designed after WWII were laughable in comparison to pre-war French designs.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 04:38:05 PM EST
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With those details, I did some read-up.

The Clapham disaster involved MkIs, which were weak, but metallic, and at least one source (see last entry here) claims they were unfairly demonised (e.g. weak but not THAT weak), while Wiki quotes a source at length about MkI's role in the post-war reduction of traffic deaths. Still, MkIs were below UIC norm (in fact, they were used for the research done as basis for the UIC norms!), as they had a stong steel underframe but a separate carbody. Regarding wood, you must have meant the wooden panels inside (the latter was true of the first MkII too). I also found that post-Clapham, your railways adopted crashworthiness norms stricter than UIC stiffness norms (twice as strong forces on some points), meant to protect up to 40 mph, a speed under which most British rail accidents are said to happen.

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by DoDo on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 05:37:34 PM EST
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