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I'd like an apology myself, for having to deal with commenters who only read the title and not the rest of the bloody story!

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 11:25:00 AM EST
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I did read your story, and nowhere do you actually make the point that things are getting worse. Do you have numbers for 2005, or for earlier years? Numbers for high speed trains vs others?

This is just a list of accidents with no perspective and a sensationalistic title.

And I'm sorry to snap at you, but this is a hot button for me.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 11:29:13 AM EST
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Nowhere?  Have another read...

I was relying on the Wikipedia lists, which show a pretty big increase in accidents over the years, but was really hoping that people who knew more about these things could pitch in with better information instead of changing the subject and calling my story irrelevant.  

It might be a hot button issue for you, but frankly, and more importantly, it is an issue for everyone.  I would love for everyone stop driving and start taking public transportation.  Cars are undoubtedly unsafe, in a myriad of ways.  But shouldn't we ensure that the trains we want people to ride are also safe?   The Chicago CTA hasn't had a fatal accident since the 1970's while infrastructurally, it is a mess.  But I'm always reading about train accidents elsewhere.  It makes no sense to me.  I want to understand what's going on.  Are the Europe accidents just statistically "irrelevant" given the amount of usage?  Or are there other factors?  

And frankly, if you want to sell the world on not driving, you need to find a better way to respond to these questions.  

The title was snark, the story was sincere.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 12:00:16 PM EST
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But you posted just the list for 2006. I guess your point is that the number of accidents this years looks to be higher than in previous years, but that was not apparent to me initially.

But how does that compare to increases in traffic (which you can count in number of trips, number of trains, number of kilometers, number of tons, number of passenger-kilometers, numbers of ton-kilometers)?

And how does that compare to accident rates for other transportation modes (again, using the various criteria above)?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 12:13:32 PM EST
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But how does that compare to increases in traffic (which you can count in number of trips, number of trains, number of kilometers, number of tons, number of passenger-kilometers, numbers of ton-kilometers)?

Yes, well, that's what I want to know!

And how does that compare to accident rates for other transportation modes (again, using the various criteria above)?

You want to compare one thing, trains v. cars, which we all know the answer to -cars are more dangerous- and why this is the case; I want to compare another trains now v. trains then, which I don't know the answer to -are they really becomeing less safe?- and if so, why?  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 12:23:27 PM EST
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Soon I post some graphs that shall answer your questions in another top-level comment.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 04:12:26 PM EST
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Thanks!

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Tue Oct 17th, 2006 at 06:47:16 PM EST
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