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We no longer burn coal to produce electricity in France, and very little gas, but thanks to market liberalisation, this may changes. For the first time in 30 years, there are now plans afoot to build a new coal power plant, and many more to build gas-fired plants.

And then we complain about global warming and dependency on Russia and we do not make the link either.

Collectively, we are truly insane.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 04:16:22 AM EST
As per Starvid:
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/9/7/104659/0820

and as per We Support Lee:

http://wesupportlee.blogspot.com/2006/09/danish-wind-gridis-20-capacity-enough.html

There is no way we can address the overwhelming prospect of catastrophic global warming without an increase in nuclear plants.  They're already displacing greenhouse gas on a large scale worldwide.  I am horrified to think of France reverting to fossil fuels.

Sweden, Switzerland, and France have the lowest per capita carbon emissions in Europe because of reliance on nuclear and hydro.

by Plan9 on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 10:36:34 AM EST
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There is no way we can address the overwhelming prospect of catastrophic global warming without an increase in nuclear plants

That's a bit of an exaggeration. We could simply reduce our energy usage by an awful lot.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 10:42:22 AM EST
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But that would be bad for GDP growth?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 10:45:30 AM EST
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Yup, and that would be awful for some reason that escapes me at the moment.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 10:46:24 AM EST
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I could have put it better.  There are many ways we can reduce greenhouse gases, including conservation.  But there is no way to mitigate them on a large scale without also continuing to use nuclear energy and without more nuclear plants.  If new nuclear plants are not built, new coal plants will.  And in regard to dangers to the environment and public health, coal outstrips nuclear by far.

It's true that we could use less energy.  But I have yet to hear from a blogger who has sworn off using his computer.  And hardly anyone (in the US,anyway) is willing to forego driving a car.

Here's a good summary of what can be done to mitigate greenhouse gases using a variety of solutions:

http://www.princeton.edu/~cmi/resources/CMI_Resources_new_files/CMI_Stab_Wedges_Movie.swf

by Plan9 on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 10:59:36 AM EST
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In theory yes. And by a lot.

In practice no. At least nukes are slightly politically possible.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 11:01:44 AM EST
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Jimmy Carter staked his presidency on that notion.  He walked to his inauguration rather than riding in a limosine.  He turned down thermostats and put on sweaters.  He installed solar panels on the White House.  He was one of our truly great American presidents, and one of the most underestimated.  He was right about energy thirty years before anyone else.  And for his sins we replaced him after a single term with a smooth talking demagogue who had parlayed a mediocre film career into a pretty good gig playing a governor in California.

We all watch with growing concern the global calamity that is the George W Bush presidency, but almost everything that concerns us about him began with Reagan.  We all ponder with varying degrees of sadness and anger the current reality compared to what might have been if Al Gore had taken office in 2001.  Imagine how very different the world might be now if Jimmy Carter had served a second term.  The alternate reality with respect to energy policy alone is enough to boggle the mind.


Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?

by budr on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 12:57:14 PM EST
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The Reagan message was the exact opposite of Carter's--enjoy life, spend, flaunt your wealth, buy big cars, don't pay taxes because they just go to people with welfare Cadillacs.

Carter bummed everyone out.  He didn't offer fun and opulence.  I think that's why Gore has been so careful in the way he's shaped his message in An Inconvenient Truth and his speeches about global warming.

People want to be entertained and coaxed into feeling good by politicians. Reagan was a genius at that.  Never mind that there was no substance.

by Plan9 on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 01:14:58 PM EST
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basically, it's a perfect example of the primary downside of popularly elected officials.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 04:33:17 PM EST
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Like I wrote in that thread:

it is more important in what way the power is generated than what how much power is consumed.

It's more important to deal with supply than with demand. But of course one should do both.

And to answer the question in the diary:

Ask yourself as you read these words, what portion of the pixels on your screen are lit by fossil fuels?

About 0-10 %, depending on the weather and the current level of political folly.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 11:08:07 AM EST
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Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 11:11:42 AM EST
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About 0-10 %, depending on the weather and the current level of political folly.

Sigh.  Wish we could all just move to Sweden.

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?

by budr on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 01:21:01 PM EST
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Everyone can't go to Sweden, but Sweden can go to everyone!

Buy ABB Atom power reactors!

(sigh... ABB Atom sold to -> Westinghouse -> Toshiba

And since Toshiba is a giant conglomerate you can't even invest in dear ole ABB Atom anymore)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 01:45:56 PM EST
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It's the same over here.

Deregulation -> gas plant.

It's a crime. Even worse, it's stupid.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2006 at 11:02:07 AM EST
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