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It's not a deal, it's a surrender.

The only thing the EU has - supposedly - balked at is free-for-all US data trawling.

But otherwise, all of the details that have been listed, and very possibly a few we don't know about, are being sent over with every flight.

And - let's be clear about this - this is political. It's about identifying dissenters. There may be some effort to find Muslim extremists, but that's a handy extra, not the main point of the exercise.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 6th, 2006 at 09:59:13 AM EST
The EU should pull out of the Visa Waiver Program, presto.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 6th, 2006 at 10:03:03 AM EST
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The problem with pulling out of visa waiver is that it's a declaration of diplomatic war.

I think the EU should simply have said that the information isn't available. Or - as a fall back position, as you suggest - let passengers decide if flying to the US is worth giving immigration these details.

Rolling over isn't setting a good precedent for future negotiations.

I think there's already a sizeable minority who are wondering if travel to the US can possibly be worth it.

And if anyone's thinking of going to ChicaKOS - how does it feel to know that you will be tagged and filed by definition, just for attending?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 6th, 2006 at 01:26:52 PM EST
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One further issue with the Visa Waiver Program is that the US refuses to extend it to the EU10. If the EU10 had decided to veto the decision of the Council of Ministers, on the grounds of 1) no second class EU citizens; and 2) EU citizens' right to privacy; there would have been no agreement.

What in the world needs to happen for the EU to declare diplomatic war on the US?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 6th, 2006 at 07:04:25 PM EST
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