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It's kind of sad though that Russian language instruction was so unpopular.

Here my note on not generalising these anecdotes should apply: I don't know how important a factor Russian language instruction was overall. My relative is the only of two sources I read emphasizing this: it wasn't among the students' 16-pont demand, I only saw it mentioned as one of Kádár's initial offers when trying to gain power. On the other hand, I take the main reason behind the rejection was that it was compulsory yet of no practical benefit for most.

we have a stereotype of Hungarians as all speaking half a dozen languages impeccably

That's because no one can talk Hungarian :-)

I recently read an article that claimed an EU study found that Hungarians are near the bottom in terms of foreign language proficiency in the EU

These polls (it's a regularly repeated EU poll) were discussed before on ET, for example here. Some points to alter your interpretation of them:

  1. those who really don't speak languages are mostly the rural population;
  2. another real factor is that unlike Slavic, Germanic or Romanic languages spoken by almost all other Europeans, Hungarian has no closely related language (it is not even Indo-European), thus learning a foreign language is difficult by default;
  3. these percentages are  poll numbers, based on voluntary self-judgement. I find it likely that more Hungarians than others who did learn foreign languages and are able to communicate at least rudimentally judge their capabilities as just not enough.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 07:17:49 AM EST
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"I find it likely that more Hungarians than others who did learn foreign languages and are able to communicate at least rudimentally judge their capabilities as just not enough."

Which says something nice about Hungarian humility! But I think you're right. I laughed out loud when I read in the same report that over 50% of Europeans believe they speak English "fluently." Yes, and Dear Leader Bush is secretly a major authority on Cervantes!

by Matt in NYC on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 07:25:34 AM EST
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For the record, what those 51% claimed was only to speak English "well enough in order to be able to have a conversation", and it included the 13% native speakers, hence only 44% of non-native-English-speakers claim to be at conversation level. Still, that seems a bit high.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 07:44:23 AM EST
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Oh! And it seems your article used an older or a different poll than I thought. And if an older poll, they probably only looked at first foreign language figures.

The latest Eurobarometer poll shows 25% German-speakers, 23% English-speakers, 8% Russian-speakers, 3% Romanian-speakers, and 2% of Slovakian, French and Italian speakers; and 42% claim at least one language. (It also shows 20% who speak at least three different foreign languages, that is among the best figures for countries not language-diverse like Belgium.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:03:49 AM EST
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I love this stuff, even if much of it is pretty suspect. Colman, for example, care to comment on the "fact" that 11% of Irish respondents list Irish as their "mother tongue"?

By the way, this has to be the study the article I read is referring to but, as you point out, a lot of the figures here are different. Good to get it straight from the source.

by Matt in NYC on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:24:02 AM EST
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Mwahaha.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:33:32 AM EST
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I should also add the anecdotic evidence of my American cousin, who left the country at an early age, and then spoke English even at home. Since he came to Hungary earlier this year, his Hungarian improved a lot, but it is his constant pain that whatever place he goes to and utters just one word, he gets a reply in English...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:17:43 AM EST
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