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But we all know the Chicago - Minneapolis run was the first hi-speed railway. The drivers of the J-6 locomotives would file complaints of rough riding at speeds of 120 - 130 mph.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 16th, 2006 at 10:46:20 AM EST
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But we all know the Chicago - Minneapolis run was the first hi-speed railway.

How true! Being a partisan of the Milwaukee 4-6-4s, I praised the F-7s here.

The drivers of the J-6 locomotives would file complaints of rough riding at speeds of 120 - 130 mph.

J-6 of which company? Is there not a typo? At any rate, what you say sounds like a very interesting tidbit, and if you can find a source, and if another certainly interested party, Chicago area railfan and fellow F-7 partisan SHKarlson doesn't turn up here, I'll email him.

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 16th, 2006 at 01:36:15 PM EST
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Ooooh crikey, that's a 20 year old memory of a story I read in one of the UK mags about the railways of the mid-west.

Probably J-6 is wrong, but the speed was correct. I'll see what I can google

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 16th, 2006 at 02:43:49 PM EST
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If it was Chicago-Milwaukee, it was most likely the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, and the choices to search for are: F-6 (non-streamlined but strong and fast), A (a Hudson), F-7 (the latter two pulled the Hiawathas).

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 16th, 2006 at 04:39:44 PM EST
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whilst I have your attention.

Does anyone know if it's still possible to get a recording of "Silent Night" by O Winston Link.

Basically the organist of a presbyterian church was requested to play "Silent night" over and over as a steam train of the N&W came up the valley for 10 minutes, stopped at the station and then disappeared off into the night. The recording lasts until the engine can no longer be heard. It last for about 29 minutes I'm told.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:00:14 AM EST
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No, we don't "all" know that -- and I even grew up in that part of the world. Thank you for a wonderful piece of trivia.

(What was the second high-speed railway?)

by Matt in NYC on Thu Nov 16th, 2006 at 05:22:14 PM EST
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(What was the second high-speed railway?)

'The first' here is of course a relative and thus so is the second, but an interesting subject.

The very first first could be Brunel's Great Western Railway: built with broad-gauge rails, wide curves and lots of superstructure to have small inclinations, and still today forming the spine of the West Coast Mainline, it was definitely a quality jump compared to other railways.

Then in the thirties, while Chicago-Minneapolis, Hamburg-Berlin and British lines got rather fast service, it was Mussolini's Direttissima lines and the Pennsy's Northeast Corridor upgrade that first produced truly dedicated high-speed lines. Still, ones for less than 200 km/h resp. 125 mph.

Then came the Shinkansen, the first truly separated purpose-built high-speed line, but when it started, top speed was barely above 200 km/h.

Italy again pre-empted others in Europe with a dedicated high-speed line, but it didn't yet have the trains to really make much of it -- so the French TGV got the first spot as a full system...

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 16th, 2006 at 06:18:26 PM EST
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I remember that the author highlighted that, whilst Mallard held the record going down a steep hill, it was hauling a very light train, 6 carriages (I think), less than 240 tons.

The US locos were maintaining their speeds for mile after mile, up hill and down hauling 1000 tons trains.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 05:54:29 AM EST
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"The US locos were maintaining their speeds for mile after mile, up hill and down hauling 1000 tons trains."

Not quite.  It is true that the LNER's Mallard might have briefly touched 125 mph on the way down Essendine bank, while a heavier Milwaukee Road test train maintained 120 mph for over five miles, with a possible maximum of 125 or 126 mph on a slight downgrade, but the best performances with steam Hiawathas were 30 miles or so at 100 mph but not exceeding 110 with at most nine car trains.

But I'm with DoDo in championing the Milwaukee Road as operator of the world's fastest steam engines.  (And there's a lot about the Midwest Hiawatha line through Hampshire, Genoa, and Kirkland in my back yard that hasn't been properly investigated.)

Stephen Karlson ATTITUDE is a nine letter word. BOATSPEED.

by SHKarlson (shkarlson at frontier dot com) on Tue Dec 12th, 2006 at 09:41:00 PM EST
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