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Universal health care.
Free higher education.
State subsidized (regulated) child care.
Retirement security.
Japanese cars.
the BBC.
Respect for historic architecture.
Trains.

Things that the US does better (in general):
Startup innovative new enterprises.
Cost cutting.
Road building (except, perhaps, for Swiss tunnels).
Building (and using) weapon systems.
Generating paranoia.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 06:07:35 PM EST
I'd add, on the pro-U.S. side:

24-hour subway and bus service (in the more livable areas of the U.S., that is)
24-hour bodegas and Korean grocers on every corner (again in the more civilized areas)
US mailpeople and UPS delivery guys--why are they all so pleasant?
Dues-free political parties
Restaurants being open seven days a week
Barnes & Noble same-day deliveries

by Matt in NYC on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 06:32:29 PM EST
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You guys forgot the tasteless tomato.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 09:51:31 PM EST
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by Matt in NYC on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 01:00:26 AM EST
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and hard little cottony-textured flavourless peaches slightly bigger than a golf ball...

but nothing beats fresh hawaiian avo or papaya!

or green fizzy young coconut milk....yummy spoonmeat

you put the lime in the coconut, shake it all about.

you have the singing frog invasion on kauai like they do on the b.i. keone?

i call there on the phone and the background noise is surreal!

The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 08:25:16 PM EST
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there are a few in some small areas.  The County is doing what they can to kill them before they spread all over.  We'll see.  Coquis -- ex Puerto Rico I think.
by HiD on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 03:38:06 AM EST
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are you in kauai too, hid?

The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 08:23:43 AM EST
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yes
by HiD on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 03:16:09 PM EST
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Tasteless tomatos and almost any "fresh" fruit or vegetable one buys in the "super market" are picked green so by the time they reach the market and sold they are just mush.  Home grown tomatos, even in America, still taste great!

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 09:46:07 PM EST
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I heard the tasteless tomato was developed as a breed that would withstand longer transportation times, and that the tastelessness was an regrettable side effect, but the bottom line is the bottom line.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 09:18:06 AM EST
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I'm sure that's quite possible. My bottom line is I don't buy them and I sure don't eat them.  There are some other notables, such as peaches.  I wonder if they have also been tampered with because I have been unable to find good tasting ones for a long time now. The avocados seem mostly to have been picked so unripened that they won't ever ripen properly. It's good to live in the tropics.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 09:30:10 AM EST
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Is there not a farmer's market where you live?  I guess I've been spoiled, because even in the States, I've rarely lived anywhere where I didn't have access to truly fresh-grown produce.  Where my mom lives, it seems like there are fresh produce stands every 10 feet.

And some grocery chains, like this extraordinary company in central Virginia, do make an effort to get high-quality, fresh, tasty produce.  Ukrop's used to have little tutorials for customers on how to properly care for their newly picked peaches, which were the best I've ever had.

And you can grow your own tomatoes practically anywhere!  Who needs those tasteless hunks o' Styrofoam that masquerade as tomatoes in most grocery stores?

At any rate, I think produce really ought to be seasonal, which is how it is here where I live; we get the best tiny cucumbers in the summer....

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 10:12:46 AM EST
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Thanks for the site. I'll have to check it out.  We do have a limited weekly farmer's market, but I haven't checked it in quite a while.  Might be worth looking into again.  Otherwise, there's not much available fresh here in overgrown suburbia.  If something did exist it would have been eaten already! I used to grow my own tomatos, squash, melons, and cucumbers, but haven't gotten back into that recently.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 12:32:32 PM EST
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Worse than the tomato is... iceberg lettuce!!!  It really ought to be outlawed.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 04:26:51 PM EST
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24-hour subway and bus service

Though the subway pauses between 23:10 and 4:30, Budapest has a rather extensive night bus service. Bratislava, Vienna and Berlin are similar, Frankfurt's is more limited (only on weekends IIRC).

24-hour bodegas and Korean grocers

This depends on where you are in Europe. Hungary is full of 24-hour grocers, Germany forbids them by law.

Dues-free political parties

Maintained by corporate donations instead. Where is the advantage in that?

Restaurants being open seven days a week

I suspect this again is country-specific.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 10:55:06 AM EST
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I had to look a second time on this:

Dues-free political parties

It appears this is at least a half-truth. For example, Missouri Democrats require a one-time membership fee of between $15 and $1,000, DuPage County Democrats require an annual $35 to $500 fee, Travis County Democrats want $120 to $1000 per year and so on. What worries me most about these is that higher contributions aren't required based on higher income, but are the basis of hierarchy, even explicitely saying that paying $500 entitles one to leadership position or trusteeship.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 09:12:34 AM EST
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However, you don't have to pay dues to have partisan voter registration, which is what you need to vote in a primary.

I still haven't seen an explanation of the difference between being

  • a registered voter
  • a volunteer/activist
  • a party member ("card-carrying"?)
and what is the role of the DLC in the first place (i.e., the interaction between the federal, state and local level within the parties).

You don't have to be a party member to be a campaign worker, for instance.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 09:21:19 AM EST
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However, you don't have to pay dues to have partisan voter registration, which is what you need to vote in a primary.

Now copied in Italy.

*  a registered voter

  • a volunteer/activist
  • a party member ("card-carrying"?)

I would think that's simple: the first is only entitled to vote, the second is 'entitled' to work his/her ass off, the last can take various positions in the party bureaucracy and vote in selections of delegates or local party leaders. Or is it more vague?

what is the role of the DLC

An elite club. Think of the Bilderberg Society, but for party politicians only. Or for another angle on it, say the 'entrepreneur wing' of an European party.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 10:03:59 AM EST
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If by "delegates" you mean the people who actualy go to the presidential nomination conventions, they are elected as part of the presidential primary process and so you presumably you just need to be a registered voter to take part in the selection of delegates. Presumably, too, you need to be a party member to be electable as a "delegate".

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 10:29:40 AM EST
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You have to be joking.

But I'd add seedless grapes on the plus side for the USA.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 07:05:47 PM EST
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Yes, rdf, what countries have you been traveling in that you think American "road-building" is such a model for the world?!
by Matt in NYC on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 01:27:14 AM EST
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The US has 4,000,000 miles of roads. I don't know whether people think this a good or bad thing, or they think that getting stuck in traffic is the fault of the roads, but I'm pretty sure this exceeds everywhere else.

The source:
http://www.bts.gov/publications/state_transportation_profiles/state_transportation_statistics_2005/h tml/table_01_01.html

The interstate highway system represents one of the biggest civil engineering projects of all time at 46,000 miles. There are many places where spectacular feats of bridge building were undertaken just so the road would be straight and direct. It also altered the course of the American economy in ways that we are now just starting to worry about. First, it led to a wide growth in suburban living and second it essentially killed the railroads as trucks were able to deliver anything anywhere more quickly.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 09:42:08 AM EST
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The EU15 has 3.9M km of roads. According to this source the US has 6.4M km of "road"and 91K km of "motorway" compared to 4.9M km and 58K km for the EU25. The US also has 207K km of rail network vs. 200K km for the EU25.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 09:49:48 AM EST
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Before this ends up as a verbal penis contest, shouldn't the focus be on the quality of roads and the time needed to cross a distance?

When I'd compare Germany and the USA on road quality and clarity in design, I'd say they're on a par.

by Nomad on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 02:36:55 PM EST
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I have to say driving on Southern California's roads left me utterly unimpressed with the quality of the road surface.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 05:18:43 PM EST
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Was that on a highway, or interstate? I haven't nailed it down, but I thought there was a difference between the two and who took care of them. Perhaps for a comparison between Germany and the USA, the German Autobahn and the American Interstate Highways come to mind.
by Nomad on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 06:07:34 PM EST
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The interstates that millions of people use to commute into LA from the East (10, 60 and 91). I drove (or was driven) pretty much all over SoCal.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 06:10:55 PM EST
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I've driven on the autobahns, autostrada, autopista, interstate, motorways (M-1, M-4), etc, etc and some recently built 4 lane toll roads in southern Mexico.  I'd say the surface quality of these "super highways" are pretty much equivalent if one considers traffic load, wear and tear, intervals needed for repair, and so forth.  The improved rails are definitely superior in most of what was Western Europe than what you find in much of the US.  The old East German rails left something to be desired.  I've ridden the rails some in Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Rep., Russia, and a few other formerly Eastern Eur. countries, but not enough to judge.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 10:05:18 PM EST
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At what time were you in East Germany and Central-Eastern Europe?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 05:25:11 AM EST
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East Germany, not long after dissolution of the SU, but somewhat later (up to 2000 or so) for some other former "Eastern Block" Countries. The Germans were already starting massive renovation projects in E. Germany, including the upgrading of rails, so yes, I'm sure most rail systems in the East would be unrecognizable for me today.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 09:22:32 AM EST
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Actually, the state of the East German railways was rather good before the collapse of the regime, too, that's why I was curious. The way German reunification was conducted economically brought forth a massive swing from rail to road, and much of the infrastructure was left un-maintained. Though, if your impressions are based on Berlin, I note another factor is that the division of Berlin meant that a lot of WWII-destroyed infrastructure was left to rot or restored only in a provisional state, and the massive reconstruction effort after reunification also meant the use of further provisoric tracks for in-service trains.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 09:58:51 AM EST
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