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Let us say that instead of 50 mg as I propose we take 1 mg of POlonium.

One miligram emits the same amoung of radioactivity than 5 gram of Radium. The radioactivity of 1 gram of Ra.. which is basically 1 Curie

So we are dealing with 150 GBq.. roughly

But the realtion between the decay and the energy is not straigthforward. I do nto know how many Bq produce 1 Sievert. It actually depends onthe enrgy carrier.
Int his case alpha particles. Bq is just the time per second that an alpha particle hits ana rea..how many energy carries 150G alpha particles?

From this you get the enrgy accumulated.. this msut be divided by one or two other of magnitudes depending onthe tissue, the distance and all that stuff.

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by kcurie on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 06:20:43 PM EST
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Hmmm, the wikipedia article has been updated since I used it last night...
At a committed effective dose equivalent (CEDE) of 5.14×10^−7 Sieverts per Becquerel (1.9×103 mrem/microcurie) for ingested 210Po and a specific activity of 1.66×10^14 Bq/gram (4.49×103 Curies/gram)[4] the amount of material required to produce a lethal dose of 10 Sieverts would be only 0.12 micrograms (1.17×10−7g). The biological halflife is 50 to 30 days in humans.
Basically, whoever it was added the information that the "lethal dose" is taken to be 10 Sievert. The numbers are taken from a "nuclide safety chart" from the North Carolina Health Physics Society, so I assume the figures are correct.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 07:26:35 PM EST
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me four orders of magnitude wrong.

One order could be explained by effective dose and another rounding problem, tissue staff, effective values and so on. But three orders of magnitude is too much.

Problem is micrograms are very difficult to transport..

I quite do not believe I can be so off the park. and that micrograms and not miligrams is the appropriate order of magnitude.

I will check it again.

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by kcurie on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 08:12:53 PM EST
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You can transport the microgram dissolved in vinegar (or soy sauce).

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 08:22:50 PM EST
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I like it because is independent on wether you need miligrams or micrograms. You just ened soemplace to make the mixure accurately.. and then transport and delivery is just like any other poison.

Although miligrams would make the mixture extremelly easy...while micrograms.. well you need certain basic infraestructure.. first to trasnport the Po 210 probably mixed among other powder and then transported.. homogonize the mixture adn then mix it with the liquid.

It tkaes a ini-lab... something anybody can get ( i can do it in my house I know ehre to buy the stuff).. but it needs some tiem indeed.

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by kcurie on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 07:55:27 AM EST
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There is a serious msitake.

It says that the specific activity is 1.66 10^14 Bq/grt
when actually Po 210 is like 5 gr of Ra.
1 Ra generates just 1 Curie or 3.7*10^10

So we are talking about roughly 1.6 *10^11 and not 1.6 *10^14... Here there are three orders of magnitude.

Am I wrong?

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by kcurie on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 08:20:39 PM EST
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One mg of Po 210 is said to be liked 5 gr of Ra.. here the three orders of magnitude.

So if this ratio is correct I guess  there is some problem with the way the energy reaches to the tissue or I had a missmatch of three orders of magnitude.

I would bet that the ratio between Bq and actual energy in the tissue is not the given in the wiki article.

I will need some proof about this ratio.

Another option is to mix the amount of polonium in another substance so that alltogether is easy to handle.. but this would require some studd that you can not have at home..

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by kcurie on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 08:27:08 PM EST
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Check the PDF source. It is indeed 1.66e^14 Bq/g and 5.14e-7 Sv/Bq (ingested) or 2.54e-6 Sv/Bq (inhaled). So maybe the comparison with Radium is wrong. Also, the alpha particles emitted by radium might be much less energetic than those of Polonium. Radium 226 has a half-life of 1602y, so its alpha emission must also be much less energetic than that of Po210. I would expect thee kinetic energy of the alpha particle to be inversely proportional to the half-life. You get a factor of 4000 that way. Am I wrong?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 08:31:36 PM EST
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