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A great finale to a colossal and fascinating series, DoDo.

Re your request for input: I can't tell you how Hungary '56 influenced British politics, for example (though I think you know it played a part in Eisenhower's decision to rein back Britain and France in the Suez invasion).

But, for me personally, Budapest '56 was the first international event that penetrated my consciousness. I'd heard plenty of talk about The War, of course, but I knew that was in the past. I can't say I learned a lot about Hungarian events, just about the Soviet tanks crushing the revolt and killing people. (My sources were the radio, the local newspaper, and above all my parents' conversation). I later learned to situate it better in the course of history. But even in outline, Budapest '56 remained with me as a kind of base on which I built an intuitive opposition to Soviet Communism (Prague '68 was therefore "only" a repeat performance, a reminder).

Baby boomers in general did not support Stalinism. It was impossible, even for those who thought of themselves as revolutionaries, to develop a romantic attachment to the Sovs (as the nineteen-thirties generation had). You might be Trot, or Maoist, or anarchist, autonomous, instant-karma people's-justice barrel-of-a-gunner, whatever -- but no one thought the Russian revolution was a positive model. The sufferings of the Hungarian people were (though not the only influence) probably the turning-point in left-wing attitudes to the Soviets.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:57:59 AM EST
Just out of curiosity, and I know it's about a different time in a different country, but have you seen or heard about Tom Stoppard's latest play, Rock 'n' Roll?

Your comment about left-wing attitudes toward the Soviets reminded me of it.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 04:15:44 AM EST
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No, I hadn't heard of it. But it sounds fascinating. If I were in London, I'd make a bee-line for the Royal Court. (But it's finished, duh...)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:45:59 PM EST
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No, it just moved to a different theater, can't remember which one.  I saw it in September, and it was fantastic.  I keep meaning to diary it but haven't had the time.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 11:23:06 AM EST
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From the article, it sounds like it must be a great play.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 11:45:34 AM EST
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Thanks for the praise and the interesting comments.

The latter make me post something that is not debating what you wrote, but something I left off this diary because it was long enough already.

Sometimes 1956 is lauded as such, I don't think one could say in general that 1956 was 'the end of communism', or 'the end of belief in communism', or 'the end of Western symphaty for the Bolshevik experiment', or some other variant.

  • For some people, already the infighting in the last decades of the 19th century did it.
  • For others, the emergence of the Bolsheviks in opposition in Russia.
  • For still others, the way they took power.
  • For more, how they conducted the civil war (Red Terror and all).
  • For some idealists, the New Economic Policy of the twentiers.
  • For many, Stalinism.
  • For a lot of Central Europeans, the conduct of occupation and the Soviet-inspired takeovers.
  • For some, the crushing of the 1953 East German protests.
  • For many, Hungary 1956 [as you afew write, this was the event for your generation of Western new leftists].
  • For many, Chinese excesses from Great Leap Forward to Cultural Revolution.
  • For many, Prague 1968.
  • For some, it took until Poland 1980/81.
  • For others, it even took until Tienanmen, and the Velvet Revolutions.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 11:56:22 AM EST
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There is also the case of being disillusioned by any one of those events, and asking "where did it all go wrong", and going back and reappraising, and so on.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 11:58:39 AM EST
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Oh, and your comment reminds me, the Soviet games played around the Spanish Civil War as also "did it" for many people (two literary examples: Orwell's Farewell to Catalonia, Koestler's Darkness at Noon).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 02:38:59 PM EST
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