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"Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a 30,000 page menu and no food."

Sorry you have not had more feedback from this diary - to me you add something more each time.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 04:55:00 PM EST
The minute you use the word "Metaphysics" you lose 90% of readers...

This still knocks me out...

And now he began to see for the first time the unbelievable magnitude of what man, when he gained power to understand and rule the world in terms of dialectic truths, had lost.  He had build empires of scientific capability to manipulate the phenomena  of nature into enormous manifestations of his own dreams of power and wealth-- but for this he had exchanged an empire of understanding of equal magnitude: an understanding of what it is to be part of the world, and not an enemy of it

...it sums up our whole human condition.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 05:05:55 PM EST
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And a study of Pataphysics would surely lose the other 10%.

I was involved in a production of Alfred Jarry's 'Ubu Roi' in 1967 at the Gulbenkian Hall at London's Rpyal College of Art - which takes us back to the Oil Business ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbenkian.

Jarry is sometimes called the father of the Theatre of the Absurd - something that needs supporting since it also influenced the Who!

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 06:51:45 PM EST
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~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 08:14:23 PM EST
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Did you achieve your Mastery of Karaoke (Japanese for 'Music as a Martial Art') all in one sitting?

Remember your first mantra in the Music Biz (Oh How Money Makes Me Hum)?  Remember the decades spent in the Studio-of-the-Recording (OK guys!  That was great!  Once more.  And can we all ... at least ... TRY to sing in the same key this time)?  Did you get discouraged when that group you had such high hopes for - The Duds - whose hard hitting rock and roll single I Want to Hold Your Colon only got repeated airtime on a 5 milliwatt station in Outer Mongolia?  (The reports of exploding sheep after that Sidney radio station played it was, I agree, calumny.)  

Not at all!  

You exercised patience and - LO! - it was rewarded.

Soon.  Soon, my young Sauna-Sitter, a comment will be added that shall reward your patience.  It shall be a comment that, in centuries to come, will be regarded as The Comment From Which All Other Comments Are (as they say) Mere Reflection.

by ATinNM on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 07:02:09 PM EST
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was the actual title - and I am a stickler when it comes to titles. Or a stickleback. Maybe it was that fishy red spot that lead me to recording?

And don't try to pull the wool over my eyes with that Sydney radio misdirection - We wuz talkin Arcadia, and the music was Cajun.

<laughing out exclamation point>

Roll me another one, Beulah...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 07:16:53 PM EST
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I just recommended it, but I need to let it simmer before I can say anything cogent about it.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 08:06:36 PM EST
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Likewise for me.  

Lila was an interesting but more difficult read than Zen.  You might think from Zen that he will move in the direction of practice--I thought that--but he doesn't.  Despite the narrative line which again is used to carry the mood, Lila is more wordy and abstract.  It really is metaphysics.  Sven, did you mention PNing yet?  Much PN.  Nonetheless--yes, I mean that--it is full of interesting stuff, including a good deal of backstory to the ideas in Zen.  That alone is fascinating.  

His lucid, depressing, and unflattering account of the Victorians is especially relevant for the US as we more or less return to that unhappy age.  

He includes an account of his meeting with Redford that is a great and funny read, as well as being a meditation on the nature of movies, celebrity, and--though he shies from saying it outright--those deities that draw energy from--and interact most directly with--the human world (the wraith energies of human activity).  

The dates mentioned in the article and his age amazed me:  He was doing everything about a decade too soon ;D

Sadly, the entire current of his thought must now be counted as "underground."  Underground, it continues, and perhaps there will again be springs . . .

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 02:36:43 AM EST
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I haven't read the book - but I did read Zen and the Art many years ago.

Metaphysics is essentially PN proof.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 03:55:06 AM EST
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or 60% proof by volume.

"Abandon hype, all ye who enter here"

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 03:56:44 AM EST
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I was about to say, "Who are you kidding?"  

or 60% proof by volume  

About right.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 04:19:40 AM EST
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Sadly, the entire current of his thought must now be counted as "underground."  Underground, it continues, and perhaps there will again be springs . . .

When you are going against the grain of accepted philosophical thinking for the last 2000 years you can expect to be "buried", academically at least.

The reason I went right back to metaphysics, and stumbled across Pirsig, was that conventional thinking simply will not account for the phenomenon of the "Open" Corporate and the "Open" Capital which it enables.

Moreover, and this is certainly fighting talk, I think that these new policy tools not only enable the necessary alternative to our existing toxic financial system, but are actually doing so as we speak.

ie I am observing and documenting an "emergent" phenomenon, but do not have the intellectual tools to describe it adequately.

I think that this potentially opens up entire new fields - sorry, "springs" (much more poetic) to academic research.


"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 04:23:27 AM EST
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well you certainly have the intellectual tools to drop crumbs in the pond and feed us fishies...

i think a couple of months in the tink-tonk will polish up yer powerpoint jes' fine...

besides all you have to do, if it pans out like you infer, will be to lay back and watch it work, hipping us to wherever it emerges,,,

now what about my cottage?

seriously, i'm willing to try this out in da reel world.

it smells so good!

anyone can email me at cosivia (at)libero.it and put cottage in the title if you want to natter offline, though i think it would be funner to do it right here!

chris gots some 'splaining to do, and we'se listenin' up good...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 at 08:10:25 PM EST
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