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The only serious contenders in France would be Corsica (and then again, I doubt the majority over ther would support it) and the Basque area (linking with the Spanish region) - with the same proviso.

The others are a joke. Alsace-Moselle has been adressed elsewhere in the thread (by lacordaire and me), Brittany autonomy is pushed by just a few people, and I've never even heard of any kind of movement or position in Normadny, let alone Burgundy or Gascogne. Savoie might be a slightly more serious contender, but not by much.

I just don't see any breakup of France, even in a pan-European remapping scenario.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 06:26:29 AM EST
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How about the Rosillon with Catalonia?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 06:40:10 AM EST
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I just don't see it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 06:44:43 AM EST
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I doubt the majority over ther would support it

Majorities may change with time. Did so in Yugoslavia.

Brittany autonomy is pushed by just a few people

I think you underestimate (at lest the potential) of Breton nationalism. In this poll, though only 19% of those in Bretagle (and paradoxically, 30% of those in Loire-Atlantique) are favorable to Brittany's independence, that's more than in Corsica (14%), while 49% want obligatory language education, and absolute majorities support more regional autonomy in all but one field.

What's more, 42% of the inhabitants of Brittany (and 24% of even Loire-Atlantiqueans) see themselves as Bretons first, 24% of those in Brittany (32% of those in Loire-Atlantique) identify with local commune, and only 26% with France. (I didn't even know: a wide majority of both départements would like to see them joined.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 06:55:09 AM EST
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Normandy? If there are Norman nationalists, they all live in Quebec.

I speak as a Norman de souche, as if this counts for something.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 10:54:13 AM EST
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France was very hard.

The French state is highly centralized, and the department line rarely coincide with actual ethnic boundaries, which makes using a NUTS-2 map to create the map I've done above much harder.

I would not dismiss the Bretons, nor a limited Alsatian state.  

I don't think that the Basques in France would ever be serious contenders for linkage with a Basque state.  Once upon a time theres was a French Basque terrorist group called Iparretarrak.  ETA use France as a staging area for many years, and they still do things like store explosives in Bayonne, and so on.  ETA was not amused by Iparretarrak  because they wanted to avoid provoking the French.

One of the untold stories of the Basque country is the role that France played in looking away when ETA was planning terrorist attacks from the late 60's to early 90's.  It was only in the 90's that French and Spanish police began to cooperate, and ETA still uses France as a staging area.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 12:30:06 PM EST
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I don't think that the Basques in France would ever be serious contenders for linkage with a Basque state.

That doesn't preclude separatism. Your map (which I had only briefly a chance to look at at home last evening) seems to show you believe too much in separatists wanting to join 'the home country'. But separatists might find autonomy preferable to becoming an unimportant province within anothjer larger country. Upthread I already pointed bruno-ken towards the example of Romania and Moldavia; I think Kosovo is destined to be another example (i.e. won't join Albania). Maybe Transdnistria is yet another example, I don't think they would want to join the Ukraine (from which Stalin cut the area off when taking Moldova from Romania).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 08:24:38 AM EST
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