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No, I recognize that.  This is why Spain becomes a mismash with Valencia and the Balearics seperate from Cataluna, and an independent Navarra.

That's part of what makes this all the more dangerous.

Wars have been fought over far less serious territorial claims than the ones brought up by many of these autonomist groups.  I was just trying to make a point with this, but I'm detecting some hostility here to the point I'm making.

Europe is vulnerable to the type of fracture that I've described, and the last few years have seen Spain and the UK begin to devolve rapidly.

I think I pulled a Jerome on this.  No one likes to have their flaws pointed out, nonetheless they exist.  And Europe has a serious nationalist question to confront.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 11:45:18 AM EST
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I don't see this fracture now in Catalonia. I don't know, maybe it's because the only people I heard talking about fractures here is the PP. Catalan people has been always pactist, since the time of the Counts of Barcelona, with a social life based upon bargaining and negotiation and only resorting to violence in very extreme situations.
Even if it's written in 1980, a recommended reading is  an essay by Salvador Giner, professor of Sociology at Universidad de Barcelona, called "The Social Structure of Catalonia", translated to English by the Anglo Catalan Society

http://www.kent.ac.uk/acsop/publications/acsop.php?r=acsop&d=01Social_Structure_in_Catalonia& ;f=00Title.txt

cheers

by amanda2006 on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 06:08:56 PM EST
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No one likes to have their flaws pointed out, nonetheless they exist.

I think some replies here might fit the bill, but others are either quibbles about specific examples of yours (without challenging the general point), or indications that the picture is even more complex than you paint it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 08:03:07 AM EST
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