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It would be interesting to hear dmun's take on this.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 01:34:48 AM EST
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There are comments on it in last night's Open Thread.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 02:11:29 AM EST
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Mig makes an interesting point:

And Archimedes' math was technically more complex than anything else for at least a millennium and a half.

And I can't agree more with Sven:

Way too cool in any case.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 02:25:31 AM EST
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Wikipedia: Archimedes' discoveries and inventions
Apart from general physics, he was also an astronomer, and Cicero writes that the Roman consul Marcellus brought two devices back to Rome from the ransacked city of Syracuse. One device mapped the sky on a sphere and the other predicted the motions of the sun and the moon and the planets (i.e., an orrery). He credits Thales and Eudoxus for constructing these devices. For some time this was assumed to be a legend of doubtful nature, but the discovery of the Antikythera mechanism has changed the view of this issue, and it is indeed probable that Archimedes possessed and constructed such devices. Pappus of Alexandria writes that Archimedes had written a practical book on the construction of such spheres entitled On Sphere-Making.


Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 05:36:02 AM EST
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Are there any Archimedes alive today?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 09:32:48 PM EST
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Are you refering to his mathematical genius, his engineering prowess, or his running naked through the streets of Syracuse shouting, "Eureka!"

8-p

In any field Benoît Mandelbrot should be a serious contender for the Archimedes Prize.  He'll never win a Nobel Prize due the intense dislike he has generated among mathematicans.

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:21:21 PM EST
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Are you refering to his mathematical genius, his engineering prowess, or his running naked through the streets of Syracuse shouting, "Eureka!"

Any of the above, but most interested in the first two.  (Probably quite a few candidates for the last one!)

In any field Benoît Mandelbrot should be a serious contender for the Archimedes Prize.  He'll never win a Nobel Prize due the intense dislike he has generated among mathematicans.

Fascinating.  I only knew of Mandelbrot by name in relation to "Chaos", in particular, the book.

Would you really put him in the same category as Archimedes, Newton and Gauss?  (My layperson's understanding of the conventional wisdom is that these are three giants of mathematics in history.)

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 11:39:49 PM EST
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It's way outside my area of expertise, but people have been speculating about this for years.

Most people think that technology progresses from the simple to the complex, but in mechanical things, it's often the other way around. There are lots of examples of complicated astronomical functions, even pre-dating the invention of the mechanical clock. There's record of a chinese water clock with even more complicated functions. One of the earliest known mechanical clocks had separate dials for the (even retrograde) motions of various "travelers".

The most interesting part of the article is the speculation that this was an ordinary object, one of many such devices. It's entirely possible, because it was made of expensive metal, which would have been re-used when the device outlived it's usefulness. This one survived in a shipwreck.

by dmun on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 08:57:00 AM EST
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Most people think that technology progresses from the simple to the complex, but in mechanical things, it's often the other way around.

People also have lots of wrong ideas about biological evolution, just look at Intelliget Design.

"Progress" is really a dangerous paradigm.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 09:21:31 AM EST
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