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for all Britain's attempts to influence US policy in recent years, "we typically ignore them and take no notice -- it's a sad business".

It's not just "recent years". It's the story of US/UK relations since WWII.

And for this the UK will go on snubbing Europe?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 01:49:53 AM EST
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"He only hits me because he loves me. It's my fault really."
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 02:24:07 AM EST
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Stop being anti-American. Or anti-British. Or both. Stop hating people who speak English. It's not nice.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 04:07:25 AM EST
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K'es ki dit, l'monsieur?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:34:55 PM EST
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it's the sad state of affairs that the constituency that is seen as being possible to swing between the two main parties is that of the readers of the daily mail, due to which a ludicrous selection of policies get enacted in this country.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 05:51:19 AM EST
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The government seems to be owned by the arms trade and the City. They're the only sectors that make any money out of the 'special relationship' and the only ones who can make it look justifiable on something that might resemble rational grounds if you squint hard and do lots of drugs.

Politically it makes no sense at all. You can understand Thatcher and Reagan cosying up, because they were opportunists of a feather. But ten years ago the idea that Blair would ever have hitched his star to Bush's rickety wagon would have seemed ridiculous to most people.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 07:40:22 AM EST
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The strangest thing is that I have found nothing but the most open contempt for George Bush and his policies in the City. I don't usually bring up the topic myself, but have found myself quite surprised to hear near universal contempt from British bankers for both Bush and Blair on the Iraq adventure - and not just in the past few months, that's been over the last 3 years.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:01:15 AM EST
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The trouble is that the British political establishment are all star-crossed lovers of America.

We could use some clear-eyed realists in govt, not dewy-eyed romantics forever blind to the other's ills.

I find their pro-US syconphancy sickening. Not because I dislike the US : I dont. But because we are a european nation and this mooning across the atlantic makes us look pathetic.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 09:26:11 AM EST
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If you're a European nation why do Commonwealth citizens get voting rights in the Westminster elections, but not EU citizens?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 09:32:00 AM EST
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Dunno. I imagine it's cos we're still notionally a monarchy and so all subjects of the Crown (inc commonwealth) have some form of voting right here.

But I don't really know. Anyway, as a spanish citizen, you can vote in spain and I won't be able to even when I move there. I'm not surprised it works the other way too.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 09:54:30 AM EST
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According to this (PDF)
These countries give you voting rights after a set period:
Belgium Denmark Estonia Finland Ireland Lithuania Luxembourg  Netherlands Slovenia Sweden
regardless of nationality.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:09:28 AM EST
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Well that is wrong when it comes to Sweden and national elections.

Local and regional you get to vote after living a certain time in Sweden, but for the national parliament citizenship is required.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:34:09 AM EST
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It is possible that the list is only for local elections. That seems to be the case in Belgium, too.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:53:16 AM EST
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And in France. Local and European (this includes eligibility).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:47:20 PM EST
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