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In fact, the Bordeaux system does involve running on battery on shorter neutral sections or when there is a local power outage/faulty contact. But more is not viable: to charge up the tram for a longer journey on a shorter distance would require helluva' lot of power. (I also note: it is early to call the Bordeaux system itself viable, given that it had numerous technical problems since it started operation. It remains to be seen whether those were just eething problems.)

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by DoDo on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 at 02:25:34 PM EST
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Its not distance per se that's crucial as much as power demand, and if you have a connection to the grid at a stop, to feed power in for regenerative breaking if the batteries are topped up, and drawn power while stopped and for acceleration, the extra "time over grid" at the stop makes that strategic.

But saying all that, yeah, it does follow from the current effort proving its viability.

And of course an Aerobus does not need to worry about the cost of building through obstacles to providing power, as the power supply goes over the obstacles along with the track.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 at 03:40:03 PM EST
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I'm afraid the stations feed-in points idea is still not viable even with your points. The operational and technical issues in the way are:

  • Trams practically accelerate/brake all the time: short distance between stations, even that interspersed with road crossings and curves, there can be a 'traffic jam' on the line too.
  • Stopping time at stations is short.
  • Unlike cars, rail vehicles (or at least the 'proper' railway vehicles I am more familiar with) often get near maximum continuous power at the maximum permitted speed, that is, braking/accelerating is not such a peak in power use as for cars.

On the other hand, I shall mention that various firms are tinkering with bringing back the fly-wheel, as an energy storage possibility between braking and acceleration at stops.

I'm not aure I understand the point about building power supply across obstacles. Do you mean catenary systems, or also the Bordeaux system?

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by DoDo on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 at 04:09:54 PM EST
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That was in reference to the Aerobus, where the power supply is with the track, the power train is in the pod that surrounds the track, and the carriage dangles underneath. So rather than bringing the power down to a tram, it brings the vehicle up to the power.

On the other stuff, like I said, electric trains are prosaic for me, while trams are more exotic. If I had been living in Melbun, it probably would have been the other way around.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 at 04:42:48 PM EST
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