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Regarless, there's an extensive literature on these second order effects, and the main point they stress is that voters don't vote strategically (ie. instrumentally, or better stated they don't go through the process of deciding which parties are viable before matching their preference to the party that has the best change of acutally entering government.)  Rather they vote against the "establishment parties" as a way of indicating just how angry they are at the national government.  

This effect certainly appeared to be in effect in France and the Netherlands.  In Spain, other intervening variables may have come into play.  If I ever figure out how to build a dataset in R, a free statistical software, I may try to test it further.  This was the basis of the research design in my methodology class.  Methodology is hard, and dissapointing because I only eked out a B in that class, which is not a good grade in American grad school.

Do you anything about R?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Dec 23rd, 2006 at 08:30:09 PM EST
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I work with S and I have used R to make lots of charts for ET, including the political compass ones. E-mail me about your project and I'll tutor you :-)

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 05:08:35 AM EST
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Muchismas gracias.

R is hard.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 10:41:41 AM EST
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Like any programming language, it takes getting used to. There is a "Tao of R", and if you try to use the "Tao of Fortran" to program in R you'll be in no end of pain very quickly.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 25th, 2006 at 07:30:33 AM EST
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Have you looked at the wiki lately?

http://www.eurotribwiki.com/pmwiki.php/Main/ToolsForAction

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 05:10:52 AM EST
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In places like the Netherlands where the Parliament can include 9 parties, what counts as "establishment" and how does the second-order effect manifest itself? Does "establishment" just mean "the few largest parties"?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 05:14:02 AM EST
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Think about how parties like the Greens and UKIP, that are largely unimportant in UK national elections have much larger vote totals in EP elections.  As for the Netherlands, I haven't done enough research to really know, but UK local and EP elections are a prime example of "second order" effects.

It's an anti-system bias, when voters feel that no matter what they do voting for an "established" party isn't going to result in them having their interests represented.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 10:36:21 AM EST
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In the UK participation at the EP elections is around 25%. This means that single-issue parties who can mobilise their electorate more effectively poll disproportionately high.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 25th, 2006 at 07:25:20 AM EST
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The UK is FPTP, except in the regional [London, Wales, NI, Scortland] assemblies and the EP, where PR is used. So if you look only at seat allocations, the second-order effects will be magnified. Looking at vote tallies might show a different picture.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 26th, 2006 at 09:00:10 AM EST
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How do the voters choose which "anti-establishment" party to vote for?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 05:16:17 AM EST
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Weren't you the one who was going to vote for the aseo party in EP elections?

Basically, it's a protest vote that has no instrumental purpose.  Smaller parties campaign on an issue, and voters cast their ballots to raise the salience of that issue, not to elect the party.  Rigid systems like the US aren't immune, witness the effect of the Reform party in 1992 and 1996.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Dec 24th, 2006 at 10:39:33 AM EST
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In proportional representation systems, votes cast to raise the salience of an issue elect single-issue parties.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 25th, 2006 at 07:24:25 AM EST
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Yes, but does it give them a governing majority?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Dec 25th, 2006 at 12:52:13 PM EST
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It is not unusual for a small party to be the king-maker.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 25th, 2006 at 01:02:45 PM EST
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