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Gazprom is not a corporation like any other. It's practically a part of the Russian governmental/oligarch/siloviki elite.

Anyway, the Russians (doh!, I meant Gazprom... let's say Moscow?), have a stellar track record when it comes to delivering gas it's big customers. Some small customers have recieved subsidized gas in exchange for Russian political influence in their conutries. Nothing wrong with this if both sides approve of it, nor anything wrong if Moscow demand market prices when the small nation prefers not to have Moscow meddling in their internal affairs.

But what if Moscow decides to pressure a small nation even though it pays full price? The gas would be vital and Russia would have put said nation in a very weak position for at least 5 years.  

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 12:34:25 PM EST
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But what if Moscow decides to pressure a small nation even though it pays full price? The gas would be vital and Russia would have put said nation in a very weak position for at least 5 years.

But what if every passerby on Unter der Linden, say, suddenly turns into a murderous beast? Are there enough policemen to prevent any harm coming my way if this happens? Is travelling to Berlin safe?

I intentionally sound crazy, just to show how stupid the hypothetical scaremongering could be.

Actually, several people around me could turn mad at the same time just by a chance. A country is usually a set of very complicated interests and turns mad only under influence of a strong ideology influencing all players in the same way. Russia is adamantly anti-ideological at this point and will remain so for a foreseeable future. It isn't Putin's toy either (Kremlin has many towers, and every tower has many sentries, as a current saying goes).

Therefore, gas to a paying customer could be switched off only for a very good reason, such as duly imposed sanctions. I can imagine Georgia stating a war with South Osetia (as it almost did in 2004), in which case there is mobilisation and economic sanctions. But even this isn't on the table any longer, as Azerbaijan will become major Georgian supplier. Otherwise, I am hard pressed to think of a realistic rather than purely hypothetical scenario for an event you suggest.

by Sargon on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 04:16:34 PM EST
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Many small countries are vary of Moscow. This might have something to do with Moscow meddling in their internal affairs, or occupying them and or their neighbours for 50 years.

Germany became accepted after the war because everyone down there seemed really, really sad and ashamed and because the Germans were needed to hold the front. Still after 60 years, the Poles become pissed off now and then over real or imagined insults.  

Now, while Russia is needed to supply oil&gas that is not as important as Germany was in the 50's. And neither the Russian people nor the elite seem very sad or ashamed at all over the Soviet Union and its crimes. Actually I believe Putin said the fall of the Soviet Union was the biggest disaster of the century, or something like that. What if Merkel said the fall of the Third Reich had been the greatest disaster of the century? A lot of people would be very angry and very afraid...

So expect people to be very vary of Russia for at least 50 more years.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 05:50:40 PM EST
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I guess equating Nazi Germany and Soviet Union (the latter being, saving your sensitivity, marginally helpful in defeating the former) became a favorite sport in Europe, and ET didn't avoid this fad. Well, can't argue with quasi-religious beliefs.

Regarding fall of Soviet Union, Putin said it was the biggest geopolitical disaster of the century. If you just look around and notice what has happened after 1991, such as: several countries jumping to get nukes, certain large country deciding it's the biggest kid on the block and trying to impregnate the rest of the world with its vision of democracy with the results all too obvious, the same certain country refusing efforts for militarisation of the space, etc. - you should admit there's a certain point to his statement.

Two caveats: first, don't get me started on Central and Eastern Europe getting its freedom as a result of the collapse. These countries got the freedom before the collapse by conscious decision of Gorbachev (or Moscow, as many other people were involved). Second: these words were said at a military parade commemorating victory in the WWII, and they were to said to  veterans of this war. These people made the most of all currently living in Europe to produce all the bright things in existence (I hope we at least agree that Nazi Europe would have been a bad idea), and got a flood of brownish waste from "civilised" media in exchange. They did deserve some kind words.

Finally, on the question of shame and apology. You know, Gorbachev  tried it. Eltsin tried it. USSR discarded its empire, its ideology, and its confrontation with the West, on its own volition. Well, it turned out to be not enough, as the West wanted a defeated and humiliated country without defeating it first. Can't work. It's not a big surprise that Russians recalled all the good things their predecessors have done (even though some Europeans have conveniently forgotten them) and adopted a stance resembling that of Austrians, or Japanese for that matter - pretty well integrated members of the international community, ugh?

Sorry for delving into history - its was you who used 50 years of occupation to justify some ridiculous projections into future commercial matters.

by Sargon on Sat Dec 30th, 2006 at 06:11:44 AM EST
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Therefore, gas to a paying customer could be switched off only for a very good reason, such as duly imposed sanctions. I can imagine Georgia stating a war with South Osetia (as it almost did in 2004), in which case there is mobilisation and economic sanctions

You sound like you think such sanctions would be justified. Assuming that's correct I presume you also think Russia should be under longstanding sanctions for starting its war against Chechnya.

by MarekNYC on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 05:55:59 PM EST
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     Marek,
I do observe sanctions in the world. From this observation, I must make a conclusion that sanctions are  an internationally accepted method of action toward countries whose behavior your country (or a group of countries) finds unacceptable. Usually (but not always), they don't work. More often than not, they are needed for domestic consumption. Perfectly fine with me - if leading democracies of this planet are engaged in such behavior to shore up domestic support, why not Russia?

About Chechnya - I believe Russia should have been under sanctions for it between December 1994 (start of the 1st war) and summer 1995 (when Basaev performed his Budennovsk raid and turned this war from a war of independence into a fight with a brutal terrorist movement). Actually, such sanctions would have helped Russia a lot - by endorsing Eltsin's bombing of parliament in 1993 and Chechen war in 1994, the West clearly showed how "our SOB" could behave as long as his loyalty is assured.

Of course, I don't believe Russia should be under sanctions for the 2nd Chechen war which started in response to external aggression (remember Dagestan)? Definitely not imposed by the countries which invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11.

by Sargon on Sat Dec 30th, 2006 at 06:28:01 AM EST
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