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The German national identity can be put in one short sentence:

Our church are our forests.

The essence of Englishness is to enjoy a luke warm cup of tea from a thermos in a damp car parked on Beachy Head whilst staring into the mist on a cold, windy November day.



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 03:49:57 PM EST
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The American ideology functions on the 'drop another nickel' principle: Game over - try again.



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 03:59:18 PM EST
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The country will retreat into the Alpine bunkers and survive.



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 04:09:49 PM EST
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It takes constant work and compromise to keep the levees in good order.



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 04:26:25 PM EST
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Our church are our forests.

Very true. (Brings back memories of many walks. In woods full of other walkers.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 04:58:08 PM EST
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German forests have no underbrush (unlike in Italy, Spain, and other Mediterranean countries.) and the trees give the impression of being columns and the canopy adds to the gothic church feeling. The German forest are open - unlike a jungle forest which is closed and impenetrable. The contrast of person vs huge trees creates a churchlike atmosphere of awe and of sacrality. The trees are standing in a regular order and can be seen in their individuality - they don't appear to be chaotic.

Mind you that the Greens got into parliament when the German people discovered that the forests were dying due to acid rain. One could also argue that the German political parties became very ecologically minded because of the threat to the forest - and this includes the conservative parties.

Germans are still pagans who worship trees.



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:05:57 PM EST
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German forests have no underbrush

Hmmmm, you must have walked in forests in only a part of Germany! In the Taunus, the Vogelsberg, the Spessart, the Hunsrück, the Odenwald, and a couple of others, I encountered plenty of underbrush in parts of the forest. It depends on the age and the type of the trees planted.

But when the forest is older, and especially if it is beech, it is indeed as you describe. In particular when, as your photo, there is fog. I made that experience on only three trips when there (out of maybe fifty), but those were memorable.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:16:54 PM EST
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Hmmh. Forests, German Ideology, Sacrality of the German Forest, paganism... It ain't only the Greens that came with those themes - as anyone familiar with the author the diarist is presumably referring to would know (we're not talking Marx). I'm not even sure if they apply to the Greens that much. Die Gruenen managed to create an environmentalist discourse pretty thoroughly cleansed of the older Konservativ-National/Voelkisch one of Kulturlandschaft.
by MarekNYC on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:17:26 PM EST
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Admittedly, there is the nationalist-conservative-völkisch thoughtr behind the myth of the German forest, which was heavily utilised by the Third Reich. But I think there is more to it, and it is a living myth beyond the conservative-nationalist mindset. Here is a relevant article (in German).

On a broader note, I participated in this subthread in the mindset of uncovering subconscious assumptions and beliefs correlated with nationalisms (in my sense, as imagined communities). But, of course, (1) all of these myths are internalised by different subsets of adherents of one nation, and to different extent, (2) to some extent, all of these myths have counterparts in other nationalisms. To extend the latter, I'd say there are several myths that are central to one nationalism that are almost universal among nationalisms, but not recognised as such. Say, "united we are great, disunity aways led to our fall", and the connected "we are a very divided people".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 08:36:47 AM EST
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The first guy who talked about the Germans as forest people was Tacitus in 96. He depicted the wood people very much as 'noble barbarians' and used it to mirror the, in his view, morally corrupted and feable minded Roman city dwellers' lifestyle (mores).

German romanticism breaks with the classic view, also expressed by Shakespeare in A Midsummer Night's Dream, that the forest is a ex-urbe place of condamnation and chaos.

The German working class movement sees the forest as a place of gaining social strength through personal interaction and sports (in corpore sano...) as shown in the film "Kuhle Wampe".

The Nazis mystify the nordic wood and interprete the free standing rows of orderly assembled trees as a symbol of military marching columns of soldiers.

A lot of things could be said about the forest scene of Siegfried in the Nibelungen, or more recently some Greens activists chaining themselves to trees to stop the construction of new runways at Frankfurt airport (see: tree huggers).

So, DoDO pretty much nails it when he says:

But, of course, (1) all of these myths are internalised by different subsets of adherents of one nation, and to different extent, (2) to some extent, all of these myths have counterparts in other nationalisms.



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 11:33:54 AM EST
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Odenwald just as I remember it:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:25:49 PM EST
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I like that very much.  

Wish it were true here.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 05:51:18 AM EST
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