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I don't. I would love to see Bush et al impeached and executed, but that isn't what's important. Controlling the US presidency is more important than giving that incompetent clique what they deserve.

You can't run a superpower like a vendetta, or like a court room. Laws are not holy, and there are many far more important things than revenge.

Or justice.

And people won't forget. At least not people in the European bourgeoisie. I know many European Cold Warriors who have become incredibly anti-american. Thinking Bush is almost the equivalent of Hitler or Stalin.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:18:26 PM EST
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I love to disagree with you on the "forget" thing!!! My 4

Regarding impeachment.. I would prefer him to be judged outside the US in a world Court after US Congress investigation ...slow congress investigation taking two years...combined with a Democratic program in COngress.

SO, on the no impreachment I agree with you.
At the same time I completley agree with Jerome diary.. it is one of those non-logical things.. it is a narrative stuff..so it perfectly fine to hold contradictory positions.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:23:13 PM EST
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Narrative yes... it's strong stuff!

And whenever I see the picture of this man

I feel full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!

But sadly, emotions have no place in policy. At least not in this kind of policy.


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:27:03 PM EST
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Ironically, the thing that happens is that when you look too deep into the abyss, something looks back. My lust for revenge is my suppressed neoconservative side that fights itself to the surface.

Clean out the Corruption and bring Justice with fire and sword, and all that. Very dangerous.

Let's have a war. We need the space.
Let's have a war. Clean out this place.

Veeery dangerous.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:31:24 PM EST
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Looks like Weird Al.


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by Number 6 on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 at 06:00:11 AM EST
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They won't forget. But forgive. Or well, live with it. America is too important to ignore or to be constantly mad at.

I think many of these people we're ready to give the American people some slack, considering Gore got more votes in 2000.

But Bush was reelected! In spite of policies that seemed to be printed by a create-maximum-damage machine! That was the thing that tipped the scales. We won't forget that.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:40:56 PM EST
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Controlling the US presidency is more important than giving that incompetent clique what they deserve.

If that incompetent crew doesn't get what it deserves, the next controllers of the US presidency will use its powers (greatly extended by that incompetent crew) in similarly reckless fashion. And in that situation, it is by no means obvious which is better: if they are competent or not.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:40:08 PM EST
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I don't think so. Things can't possibly get any worse.

I'd much rather see careful (and after Iraq disaster, they won't rock the boat) half mad people in charge than raging  insane people with a cause.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:46:48 PM EST
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Absolutely

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins
by EricC on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 07:30:15 PM EST
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I don't think so. Things can't possibly get any worse.

Hmmm. Things could get a lot worse.

Actually I half agree with the 'don't impeach' crowd, because as long as Bush is hemmed in by Congress he's not going to do much.

Cornered, he may do something really stupid. Like invent, arrange, or discover a pretext for martial law. Or something equally ugly.

But I also think the issue will sort itself out early next year.

Once Waxman or someone asks for information under subpoena, and Bush or Cheney refuse (probably citing National Security), you have a constitutional crisis which is going to occupy everyone's attention no matter what they currently have planned.

Kos, and apparently the rest of the Dems, are naive if they believe that the next session of Congress is going to be all about passing nice progressive-ish bills, and not a tug of war over the constitution and the powers of a wannabe unitary executive.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 07:46:07 PM EST
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Kos, and apparently the rest of the Dems, are naive if they believe that the next session of Congress is going to be all about passing nice progressive-ish bills, and not a tug of war over the constitution and the powers of a wannabe unitary executive.

Think you, unfortunately are right.

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins

by EricC on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 08:30:06 PM EST
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I prefer raging insane people bungling up every evil scheme they attempt to half-mad clever people who will implement their less evil schemes to a much fuller extent.

Also, think beyond twqo-six years. What if the raging insanes return to power after the half-mad ones, and they still can rely on extended executive power?

Oh, and "it can't get worse than this" is almost as bad as Panglossianism. Of course it can get much worse.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 01:25:04 AM EST
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I don't think so. Things can't possibly get any worse.  

Can and will.  I don't think you quite understand what is happening here in the US.  

Return to sanity is not on the agenda.  

Maybe we will all be surprised when the Dems take office in January.  But the way they are talking now, I wouldn't hold my breath.  

It is all about oil.  And that hasn't changed and will not change (except to get worse.)  

If you think the US is dangerous now, consider what happens when we replace the incompetent madmen with talented madmen.  

The world is not about to become safer.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 12:56:24 AM EST
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It is all about oil.

The US economy is completely and utterly dependent on cheap transportable energy which is gasoline (petrol.)  1/6th of the US economy depends directly or indirectly on the automobile.  The last 50 years of Real Estate investment has been dependent on the automobile.  The last 4 years the US economy has been driven by a Real Estate boom, fueled by cheap money, in the context of ever expanding suburbia, dependent on the automobile.

With economic dependence (addiction?) comes a corresponding cultural adaptation.  The car becomes more than a cog in a mass transit system.  The car takes on, attaches to, resonates with various mythos: symbol of freedom, symbol of independence, socio-economic status signal, sub-group adherence signal, e.g., VW Microbus.

The one unity of life in America, crossing all ethnic, racial, gender, sexual preference, social, economic, class, and geographical division is the car.  

Economy needs cars.  Cars need gas.  Gas comes from oil.

The world is running into Peak Oil.  The US economy is running out of cheap gas.  

If you think the US is dangerous now, consider what happens when we replace the incompetent madmen with talented madmen.  

The world is not about to become safer.

Yup.

by ATinNM on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 01:35:54 AM EST
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The one unity of life in America, crossing all ethnic, racial, gender, sexual preference, social, economic, class, and geographical division is the car.

Excellent.

(I wonder what division it doesn't cross? Religion? No, seems to fit right in.
How about NYC Upper East Side / Greenwich Village intellectuals? No. Honestly, I can't think of anyone except the Amish.)


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by Number 6 on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 at 05:58:43 AM EST
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In the 60s there were also Europeans on the streets with   'Johnson Moordenaar' (case of the Dutch) banners. People forget. At least the Dutch returned to their habitual Atlanticism quite rapidly. In the near future this forgetting will be aided by a widespread belief in Europe in the 'other America'. The bourgeois press believes that the Democrats are allies. At least that's the case in the Netherlands and Germany. Maybe in France the perception is different; in Sweden I would be surprised if it is. The perception is of course also partially right. A Democratic government would have agenda that is compatible with that of the largely center-right European bourgeoisie.

There could be a major split over the Iran issue, however.

This assumes, of course, that the American people remain sensible enough to vote in the Democrats.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 06:54:33 PM EST
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