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You know, it would seem that Americans that take "different" as anti-Americanism just show that they cannot imagine that there could be anything better than America, and thus foreigners that claim to be "different" without acknowledging "inferior" at the same time are fully guilty of America-bashing, because they don't admit that America is better.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 02:10:52 PM EST
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When Barbara and I decided to come "back home to Europe" people were genuinely sad for us, and kept asking whether there was something they could to to help us stay. As if we were going to fall off the egde of a cliff, or something. The thought that someone could leave the US for another place voluntarily was genuinely shocking to them. I believe Bob has relayed a similar experience, in his case of an American leaving.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 02:28:36 PM EST
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If your friends were young Americans, with little international experience, I guess I could understand that.  But I have a feeling you're going to tell me they were not.  Or, if they were from rural America, and hadn't travelled at all and have little appreciation for life outside of America--I wouldn't be shocked.  But I've never thought of Berkeley as rural, so I don't think that's the case either.

But this is absolutely not the reaction that my friends would have.  In fact, it is quite common among my group of acquaintances for people to go back to their home country.  I have an Indian friend who has gone back.  I have another Indian friend that is retired, and spends about 40%, he and his wife, of his time in India.  They have family there,,,it just is not at all surprising, and literally no one is sad for them, or thinks they've fallen off the cliff.  The same with Europe.  I have an English friend who thinks "America is the place to earn a living, because you're not caught up ina class system, and the economic system allows hard work to move you to the top", but, he says, "Europe is the place to retire,,,Europeans know how to live the better life, with the culture, etc."  We'll see on him--his kids are still fairly young, and they seem pretty American to me,,,,I'm not sure if he and his wife will want to be away from them, and the grandkids--down the road.

I would like to someday have a place in London, and spend a significant amount of time there.  It's my favorite city in the world--too bad about the prices.  -:}

I could continue with these examples, because I have many--and vice versa as well,,,Americans living in Europe and staying,,,others coming back.

It is just not accurate to generalise the reactions you describe to Americans.

by wchurchill on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 03:43:43 PM EST
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that this was a tribute to how much they liked the two of you?
by Matt in NYC on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:03:57 PM EST
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Barbara, yes. Me, not so much.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 09:49:55 PM EST
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I had a somewhat similar experience when returning from West Germany. My classmates wondered why we don't just stay, by wondering I mean completely perplexed. Though, in that case, we left an in many ways really better place, plus there was returning into a dictatorship (despite the news of changes, no one knew in advance that it will really be over a year later).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 06:55:34 PM EST
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Yes, indeed, very similar. And now that I have left, I hardly hear from anyone anymore (unless I initiate the contact). But, I adandoned them, after all, so what should I expect? (Truly I'm not bitter, but definitely sad at times...)

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 at 02:50:02 AM EST
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your snooty Cartesian logic!

</snark>

by Matt in NYC on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:21:36 PM EST
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I just want to say for the record that I did not in any way interpret your comment as "trashing" Americans.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 05:33:43 PM EST
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