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this hyphen-American concept is total rubbish.  Migeru even says downthread that Americans consider themselves hyphen-Americans 10 generations back.  That is absurd.  10 generations back you don't even know the mix of country backgrounds in your blood.

Ten generations, sure - there we're talking about those who are descended from before the big 1880-1920 wave of immigration. But from then on it gets different. Perhaps not out west where the Italians and Irish and Poles no longer have any ties to the old village-like urban enclaves, but in the Northeast and the metropolitan areas of the industrial Midwest things are different.  Here you get fourth generation Italian kids going wild over Italy's soccer team, waving their flags as they run through the streets. Kids who don't follow soccer, have never been to Italy, and don't speak any Italian - but they sure as hell are Italian, and Italy won.

This town is a mosaic of tribes and sub-tribes for whom their ethnic identity is an essential part of both their intense local identity and their national (American) one.  Even when they  move out into the suburbs they retain their ethnic identities, thus giving us phenomena like Congressman Peter King (R/Sinn Fein-NY) whose Irish Republican allegiance takes precedence over his US Republican one.  

The new immigrants here have been replicating the same pattern - settling in concentrated groups, filling their neighbourhoods with markers of the old country - all as part of the process of assimilation.  My impression is that this is also true of Latino and Asian immigrants in California.

by MarekNYC on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:17:13 PM EST
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will still get you big laughs, even though there are only like 4.3 Jews left in those regions.
by Matt in NYC on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:25:18 PM EST
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Do you also get to hear Kohn & Grün jokes?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 06:48:49 PM EST
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I feel cheated! Are there any you could share on the Net?
by Matt in NYC on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 08:10:44 PM EST
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None I can find in English. But you can read of them on the Wiki page on Hungarian jokes (though AFAIK Kohn & Grün were known all across the Habsburg Empire). Here is one example.

Kohn suffers from a guilty conscience, because he had a fallout with Grün and feels it was his own fault. So he goes to the rabbi, tells him the story and asks for advice.
"You have to say sorry!"
"Do I really have to say sorry?"
"Definitely."
"Can I also do it on the telephone?"
"Yes."
Hearing this, Kohn goes home and dials Grün's number. The other end of the line answers:
"Hallo?"
"Hallo... is that Mr. Smith?"
"No, I1m Mr. Grün."
"Then sorry."

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 08:30:52 PM EST
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and thanks for the great link, too.
by Matt in NYC on Sun Dec 10th, 2006 at 09:15:45 AM EST
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I agree that Americans for several generations love to talk about their genealogy,,,,1/16 this, 1/8 that.  and in the first few generations may stay close to one of their countries of heritage, due to relatives they may know, soccer teams they may follow.  and then they have to pick which soccer team they like best,,,because they're half, something, and 1/4 something else, and then again.  it's all part of the melting pot effect in America.  but I didn't take the hyphen-American comment to mean that at all,,,but rather the opposite, that Americans stay divided,,,which they don't.

I guess my experience in Chicago and California is that these enclaves break down over a generation or two.  The German area in Chicago I believe is now Latino, with people moving out to the suburbs, or just marrying and moving.  In California I live in an area that is 40% Asian (lots of countries when I say Asian) and 60% everything else.  However the various China town areas do seem to maintain their Asian roots--but some of that seems business related.  Like in that area in London just south of Soho,,,very Chinese/Asian it would seem, and everyone knows where to go to get various varieties of Chinese food.

by wchurchill on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 06:05:42 PM EST
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But of St. Patrick's Day, even 1/1024th Irish-Americans are 100% Irish-Americans, no?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 06:50:00 PM EST
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