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nationalism. You'll spend the next three hours explaining the very word "nationalism" (I had a fairly decent education, but I don't remember ever learning about it in school, as opposed to endless "units" on Communism). And then prepare to argue for another three or four hours to persuade them that nationalism isn't necessarily an unmitigatedly wonderful political philosophy.

En passant, this is also why you have almost no chance of ever having an intelligent conversation about Zionism in the U.S. Even educated Americans are unfamiliar with the most basic concepts you need to analyze it.
 

by Matt in NYC on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 04:29:15 PM EST
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This is the most trenchant comment I have seen in a year.  It sums it all up.  I get flamed on DKos for drawing distinctions of fact (like the fact that there were no "communist" "exterminations" in Vietnam when the War ended - and that the US supported the genocidaires in Kampuchea) - and for questioning nationalism.  

The US' accelerating slide into ignorance reminds me of something Orwell said about the goal of Duckspeak - to render critical thought impossible.  Well, in the US we have privatized the Ministry of Truth - and our media are putting the Nazis, the Soviets, and MiniTru to shame.

by cambridgemac on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 12:04:36 AM EST
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the fact that there were no "communist" "exterminations" in Vietnam when the War ended

Do you mean that whatever was wasn't communist (but say nationalist), or that it wasn't extermination (but say a purge), or that there was no significant post-victory bloodshed?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:13:57 AM EST
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I had a rare chance to peek into World History exam papers of US College freshmen and there was a tendency to cast everything in American terms regardless of the country and time period involved. For instance, one Student wrote that "China had a system of Checks and Balances". This, to me, showed the damage that "civics" classes do to American High School students. It equips them with a collection of set phrases and poorly undestood concepts with no critical thinking and no context. It is next to impossible to have a sensible conversation with them about politics outside the US (national or international).

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:41:42 AM EST
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