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Meaning, I don't see how your second point is valid since the French, in point of fact, do not share that kind of nationalism with Americans today.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 05:58:51 PM EST
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I disagree. The French have the same abstract ideological  concept of nationhood - what Habermas in a somewhat different context referred to as Verfassungspatriotismus. The legacy of the arrogant 'mission civilizatrice' can also be seen among both Gaullists and certain nationalists on the left  (Chevenement is the extreme case). On the other hand it is much weaker today than the US version so perhaps the question is whether a difference of degree has reached the level where we can speak of a difference of kind.
by MarekNYC on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 06:10:29 PM EST
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As usual, we don't agree. The French do not have the unquestioning belief in the nation and the almost sacred character of its symbols and myths that is shared by many Americans. The French are distanced, cynical, decidedly unbelieving. It's not just a question of degree.

That France has a certain historical similarity with the US in that both are nations with pretensions to universality is true, but my point in the above piece concerns how the concept of the nation is experienced by the majority of the people, how the nation is perceived. And there I think there are decisive differences.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 01:46:01 AM EST
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The French are distanced, cynical, decidedly unbelieving.

Can you differentiate that comment with view to political allegiances?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:16:21 AM EST
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Viewed from the outside, there are some similarities, though. Say pomp and grandiosity of July 14 parades.

Regarding your first point, I don't see your consideration of non-Western Europe reflected ("small minority"), unless you only considered 2004 new EU members.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 06:14:39 PM EST
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