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emilmoller, once again I seem to be in complete agreement.  The only reason I write "seem to be" instead of "am" is that I do not know enough about the tech. side to confirm or unconfirm factual claims.

However, I do have a Green MEP and would be happy to contact her re: these issues.  Are you one european trying to motivate others?  Are you representing a group--or trying to form one?

I certainly agree 100% with you, esp. re: "This is a money-making venture RIGHT NOW!"

RES...Renewable Energy Sources?  Sign me up!  DoDo, another poster here, talked about Geo-thermal, taking off in Germany.  He also mentioned feed-in laws, etc.

Have you already pondered these questions?  I'm happy to support (in various ways) anyone who wishes to take Europe into its renewable future asap, so good on ya, have a cup of tea

(It seems a bit early for beer...or wine...but choose your favourite tipple...)

I can see you and Chris, Dodo and Jerome, I can see yez all sorting this out...<sound of heads cracking effectively and fruitfully...buds and budding etc...<p> Thanks for the reply.  I'm interested to hear more.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 at 05:58:35 AM EST
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Hi RG,

re Groups: in the course of my research I was blessed with teaming up with some well informed people. Distinguishing quality is that they can tell the emperor from his clothes. Besides that, they are all seasoned in the market place and have no corporate dependencies or otherwise. They want to leave this planet better than they found it. They tought me to chop dead report/conference/corporate/politically correct/bullshit wood and see clearly. Whether this can be seen as a group, I consider secundary; primary is that a RES-future is facilitated.
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re MEP: I would be pleased to meet your MEP. I live in Maastricht, so any place between here & Brussels near a train station is fine.
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re Euro's: these are a prerequisite to the quality of life the EU tries to stand for. I strongly favour going beyond the knee jerk of more, better, faster:

and focus on questions that matter (http://www.theworldcafe.com/, http://www.bpf.org/tsangha/papers.html, http://www.david-bohm.net/dialogue/)
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re Geo thermal, feed in: these become self evident, to the extent a RES-vision takes root
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re Tea: thanks, just had a Bambu coffee with girlfriend Olivia and daughter Ilya (9 months now). Will go to Liege after this for some slow food.
by emilmoller (emil@beyondthewalls.eu) on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 at 06:51:07 AM EST
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Thanks for the links.  I especially like the one in your other comment, with that great picture of the europe/north africa/arabia pic.

Lots of positivity!  How to tie it into govts. (or whoever large enough pockets to get these alternative energy grids set up)...that's my question.

But clearly not mine alone.  Lots of keen minds working out solutions and searching for root causes...

Thanks again!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 at 06:21:38 PM EST
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How to tie it into govts?

  • Start with a coalition of the willing (sorry for the Dubya-ass).

  • Show succes in the material world.

This makes them envious, daring, caring, obiding, wanting to belong, whatever. As long as it serves their interest (which is the driving force to serve that of the first movers aka sustainability)

Followers can emulate, exceed, boost their ego and/or wallet. Which can be seen as collateral damage or part and parcel of the evolving nature of mankind.  

Note: after one is tempted into a next level perspective, 'the world' enactingly changes: neurological firing patterns, psychological make up, culture, the system. That's why the tempting business is important: when one longs for the sea, building a boat is the logical thing to do

by emilmoller (emil@beyondthewalls.eu) on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 at 10:04:22 AM EST
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Or speaking dolphin, or both (and what about whale, and tuna--and learning to swim!)  ;)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 at 03:11:29 PM EST
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