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Forgive and forget my misunderstanding of your joke...

Then again, you seem to have an answer to the cluster of issues surrounding the cartoons. I have admitted I am not sure what to make of the whole thing, nor what the right course of action is. End of story. You can argue your point more forcefully bacause of the certainty you have in the rightness of your position, which I lack about my position.

Ok?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 05:59:10 AM EST
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Hey forgive me too. The above was, again, a joke, and a slightly cruel one, I'll admit.

I don't have an "answer". I think there are some points worth making, even if there are real consequences which would cause us not to make such points in other circumstances (and which I acknowledge). I also think that the issue is not going to go away and that it is simpler to take a stand now.
It's not a matter of certainty, it's my opinion today, I very much think it is right but I don't know for sure - and that's the whole point of this debate, to have some perspective, and all of you guys have provided a lot of it, for which I am grateful even if I argue against some of the arguments provided.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:07:29 AM EST
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Which is why Jérôme doesn't qualify as a fundamentalist: he allows for the possibility of error.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:09:57 AM EST
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To reiterate Fran's quote: "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool"
by Nomad on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:06:32 AM EST
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The question is : does he allow for the possibility of an error for the others as well as for himself ? :) I'd say he does, and that's why we like him.

I guess the reason why sometimes some of us over-react to snarks is that irony  always carries a part of truth with itself. That's what Kundera wrote in one of his novels. Irony is sometimes a way to make one's point while disguising a direct confrontation.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:16:08 AM EST
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Irony is sometimes a way to make one's point while disguising a direct confrontation.

Really?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:18:29 AM EST
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Okay, Okay, still sometimes it is good to kick open already open doors (rusty translation again).
What's the equivalent English for that saying ?

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:20:45 AM EST
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Beating on a dead horse.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:22:39 AM EST
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Flogging a dead horse.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:23:43 AM EST
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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:43:17 AM EST
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You don't seem like the epitome of self-doubt here:
So what should that school do? I'd like to hear from those that argued that the cartoons were needlessly provovcative: how would YOU react to the demands?
But I may have misunderstood, too. So forgive me if I did.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:13:08 AM EST
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How on earth can asking a question be taken as a proof of certainty???

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:23:28 AM EST
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"see, I was right! How would you react to this one?"

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:25:21 AM EST
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When you read my posts, you should always be in doubt whether I am writing seriously, as a rhetorical point, in jest or in snark. Doubt is good. It makes you ask questions.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:29:45 AM EST
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You should apply yourself the advice you give me, and make <snark> explicit.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:54:45 AM EST
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Jérôme, you cannot be serious demanding that. Trust is the line you have to draw and not go beyond : if we have to wonder all the time whether what you say is serious or a slighjtly provocative joke, how can limited (and touchy) minds  as mine not feel at a loss ?

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:10:51 AM EST
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Jerome's mine field - step in at your own peril.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:14:11 AM EST
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You are right. It is a good exercise.
One's value is to be assessed by the number of contenders, not of supporters.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:23:22 AM EST
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Quality is better than quantity.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:27:32 AM EST
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