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That's completely unfair. Migeru simply explained what happens, not what should happen.

You're assuming that potential attackers are sane and rational. Odds are they won't be.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:19:51 AM EST
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Migeru simply explained what happens, not what should happen.

His wording suggested that this is a fact of life we must accept, and even has a silver lining.

You're assuming that potential attackers are sane and rational. Odds are they won't be.

I disagree. It's a common mistake among the civilized to assume that violent scum aren't sane and rational. In a political context, they frighteningly often are.

Just to illustrate (since anecdotal evidence of course proves nothing) the attacker in the Nygaard case is believed to have been either a hitman or an Iranian government operative. His tracks disappeared at the Iranian embassy.

For that matter, the thug who stabbed Theo van Gogh is also jugded to be sane. Anna Lindh's killer, too. Both appear to have been politically motivated murders.

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:42:41 AM EST
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I have asked you to explain how you intend to prevent (not punish) ideologically (includes religiously) motivated crimes.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 06:44:31 AM EST
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Both appear to have been politically motivated murders.

What motivated them?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:02:31 AM EST
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Are you requesting information?

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:33:57 AM EST
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If he isn't, I am now.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 07:34:49 AM EST
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Anna Lindh: Swedish foreign minister, stabbed to death in 2003 by a Serbo-Swede enraged by her position in the Kosovo War. The killer, Mihajlo Mihajlovich, was initially diagnosed as insane during the act, but this conclusion was overturned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh

Theo van Gogh: Dutch filmmaker, stabbed and shot to death in 2004 by a Dutch radical Islamist with terrorist connections in retribution for a 10-minute film about suppression of women in Islam. On his body the killer appended a note which threatened Western governments, Jews, and the politician A. Hirshi Ali, on whose book the film was based.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_%28film_director%29

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 08:04:44 AM EST
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Allegedly Olof Palme's was also a political assassination.

Now, how do you suggest Europe can prevent political assassinations from happening other than instituting some sort of thought police?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 08:07:09 AM EST
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Allegedly Olof Palme's was also a political assassination.

Probably, but that's never been resolved.

Now, how do you suggest Europe can prevent political assassinations from happening other than instituting some sort of thought police?

I have never said I believe it can be prevented outright. That would be pretty daft.

I have said that yielding to threats is not going to help. Rather it will encourage those making such threats.

Keeping known extremist factions under surveillance, as is being done all over Europe, is obviously also wise.
 

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 08:15:21 AM EST
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Mohammed Bouyeri, the murderer of Van Gogh, killed Van Gogh simply because of his own interpretation (the salafism/wahabism) of Islam. Bouyeri viewed Van Gogh as an infidel and, what's worse, an enemy of (his) Islam, giving him enough justification to slaughter Van Gogh. That's it. End of story. He was sane, he was perfectly rational in his own little fucked-up world, which he attempted to defend during his last case and the current one, the Hofstad case. In both cases, his  attempts to be a scholar of Islam texts were distorted, rudimental and selective, so say other Arabists.
by Nomad on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 08:07:24 AM EST
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