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OK, so, do I have this right?:

you don't believe in god, don't know if there is one of not, but are willing to be convinced either way if a good proof comes along.

That's me as well, then. What were we arguing about, exactly, throughout the day?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 10:59:49 AM EST
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Were we arguing? I thought of it as clarifying.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:02:33 AM EST
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I agree - we were looking at different definitions of fundamentalism and at the history of the term.

whistle, whistle,

has the teacher gone, Colman?

Here take that, and you DoDO, buh, argh, uff, autsch

by PeWi on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 01:13:27 PM EST
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I don't think that Jérôme was even able to follow that part of the debate, which is sort of strange.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 01:15:30 PM EST
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sigh I really am not funny, I thought I may make you smile, but then you are just keeping on the thread...

with regards to Jerome,

wouldn't know - don't feel competend to comment

...

hehe, another funny comment, as if that had ever stopped me...

by PeWi on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 01:31:32 PM EST
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You made smile ; Jérôme is not available as far as I know...:)

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 02:35:12 PM EST
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Sorry,
I forgot the most important word : ME.
You made ME smile.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 02:38:10 PM EST
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See his remarks way upthread.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 02:36:57 PM EST
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Well I saw them, but religion is a topic I am <s>fundamentally
 <s> unable to argue over with Jérôme. I am a fundamentalist tolerant.
OK, enough with this.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 02:40:07 PM EST
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I don't believe there is a god. I could be wrong. That's all. I don't know if there is one - or many - but I have no reason to believe there are any. I'm just not claiming access to absolute truth.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:07:53 AM EST
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That sums up my view well.  I think it's a discussion that will go on for thousands of years and perhaps never be settled.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 02:50:20 PM EST
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That's the ultimate hurdle you cannot avoid : faith is about something one can never hold for sure to be there and last. Like love, no matter how hard we try, we can never rest assured that love will not fade away.
Willing to be convinced is a scientific way of thinking, not a religious/sentimental one. They cannot coexist.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:09:04 AM EST
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Which is why the fundamentalists have such a problem with science.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:10:07 AM EST
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That's the ultimate hurdle you cannot avoid : faith is about something one can never hold for sure to be there and last. Like love, no matter how hard we try, we can never rest assured that love will not fade away.
Willing to be convinced is a scientific way of thinking, not a religious/sentimental one. They cannot coexist.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:10:28 AM EST
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Oops... Double post, sorry.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:11:51 AM EST
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Fixed already.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:12:06 AM EST
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No, I killed one, so that's a triple post. I think.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:12:49 AM EST
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Lemme introduce a further consideration.

Making a decision.

I am a weak atheist who even has time for the religious gnostic argument, that you can know the truth of a religion by faith. Only: as all kinds of religions have believers who think faith was a route to Truth for them, which one to try first?

Similarly, as long as none of them seems more well-founded than a couple of others, you don't need to pose 'absolute' standards of proof for various gods and religions.

A further issue is whether you see the knowability of the existence of gods as a question different from say the knowability of the existence of Saturn or giant squids or fairies or toothbrushes (and that would lead to a whole discussion about the meaning of "to know").

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 15th, 2006 at 11:29:22 AM EST
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