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You're obviously a very intelligent person, and a deep thinker. But I think I see a, not uncommon by any means, tendency to get so tied up in the whys and wherefores and the knotted equation of tits for tats, injustices and retributions and multiple motives of this imperfect world of ours, that one loses sight of the simple things.

On the one hand we have caricatures, arguably unfunny and in poor taste, but still within the bounds of legal free speech. On the other we have people who not only want that free speech muzzled, but are threatening, with all too much credibility, to kill to make it so.

Now one can understand why they'd react, understand their past grievances, one can do all of that, but still not condone, or lose sight of what is at heart a pretty simple case of people threatening murder to quell free speech. If there's a case that should be easy to take a stand on for the left, unpretty in its details as the case may be, this should be it.

How many freethinkers in our own culture have not only been threatened for ridiculing, often in bad taste, our own prophets of right religious thought through the years when they still wielded power, but even paid with their lives for it? And can we now condone those who would mete out the same punishments, no matter what their background and just grievances in other matters?

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by Alexander G Rubio (alexander.rubio@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 02:23:22 AM EST
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So ummm, where was all the fuss when Evans was fired?  Fired, btw, without any international spotlight or boycott threats or ambassadorial visits, on the basis of the kind of local protest and upset that the Danes ignored for months from their Islamic residents.

I personally don't like the Evans toons either.  imho they were crudely drawn, leaning lazily on anti-semitic stereotypes -- again conflating an anti-semitic emotional buzz with his legitimate (imho) criticism of Israeli policy and the Occupation.  But not much worse or better than the 'Mohammetoons' to my eye, so where was the worldwide rallying to his defence, or the taking-up of his toons by a dozen papers in hot defence of sacred free speech and Enlightenment/democratic values?  The debate over Evans' firing was limited to NZ, I believe, and his only defenders appear to have been unsavory white supremacist types.

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by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 06:54:48 PM EST
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Well first off, I had never heard of the guy, so could personally hardly have rallied to his cause, if indeed there's a just cause to rally to.

And second, are you seriously comparing someone getting fired for drawing anti-Semitic cartoons to threatening to kill cartoonists, newspaper staff, and people wholly unrelated to the matter other than being from the same country? Is that what you're saying here? 'cause I think my eyes must be going. Who spiked my drink with methanol? Was that you, Sirocco?

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by Alexander G Rubio (alexander.rubio@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 07:11:41 PM EST
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afaik the original demands were for formal apologies, retractions in print, and some calls for penalising or firing editors or cartoonists.  but this was considered "unthinkable" or "ridiculous" or whatever, and the grievance has escalated as grievances do when met with stone-faced obliviousness and disregard.  second to being actively insulted (or perhaps even worse) is being treated as irrelevant and ignored;  it causes fury and, I think, was calculated to cause fury.  have you ever gone to a customer complaint counter and had the clerk pointedly turn his back and continue a casual conversation with a co-worker while ignoring you?

anyway, the Evans case is of interest merely as suggestive evidence that the "civilised world" is rather selective when it comes to zealous defence of press freedom and the "right to offend."

do I have to keep repeating that I don't condone death threats, defend them morally or even find them strategically wise?  however I also don't find waving red rags at bulls to be strategically wise.

I think Malooga's comments over at the Moon are insightful:

Again, who profits from all of this? Centralized Governments, Religions, Corporate Media, and a few bad artists. All of this is almost comic relief--more "buffo caricato", than "buffo nobile,"--from the major issues of war, poverty, imperialism, resource depletion, and ecologic catastrophe confronting mankind.
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Each time the media has been breathless in fanning the flames of rightgeousness and indignation. It's a circus that has never brought people closer to understanding and respecting each other. Rather, it is more an idealization of a certain puerile adolescent state when one simply must break away from all authority figures, and indeed, the whole world [...]
It should be obvious to all that corporate media has no real interest in exercizing any particular freedom to tell greater truths, and that intelligent, thinking and feeling Muslims these days have far more on their plate than taking the bait and thrashing around like a hooked fish on an issue that was not of their framing, and not essential to the greater struggles they face.
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What I am attempting to do, is comment upon a culture that holds subversion of convention, provocation, and intellectual tittilation above human values such as the universality of suffering, and the longing for social justice. That's the greater frame into which this discussion should be placed. (It seems almost unnecesary to point out how difficult to craft, and rare, good art--representational or modern--that upholds these human values, truly is. Picasso, usually an extraordinarily quick worker, spent months of studies tweaking and retweaking the emotions and symbols of suffering in various ways before painting "Guernica.")

The boldface text for me is the "moi aussi" bit, so the boldfacing is mine not M's.


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by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 07:37:10 PM EST
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