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to respect the wishes of the host. That is, I'll say and do what the hell I want in my own house. but obey your rules when I am in your house.

That idea seems to have an ancient lineage.

The question is, in that case, who does the European house belong to?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Feb 2nd, 2006 at 05:24:28 PM EST
Yes - some basic symmetry and some basic fairness.

I've always noted when Arab leaders come to Paris that they are outraged (or pretend to be) because there is wine on the dinner table and it is incompatible with, or even insulting to, their faith.

I understand them not offering wine in their countries, if that's the rules they live by, but imposing these rules elsewhere as well? Don't drink the fucking wine if you're invited to dinner and shut the fuck up about it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Feb 2nd, 2006 at 05:42:59 PM EST
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Well, on the conventional view it belongs to the citizens of European territorial states, who - at least for the time being - have seen fit to have a public sphere with a high degree of constitutionally protected free expression.

However, this condition is historically and geographically quite a rarity, even exotic. It may well prove out to be a transient paranthesis. Judging by the debate up here, surprisingly and chillingly many are prepared to sell it down the river by issuing an official apology from the gov't for what a private magazine has printed.

WTF? If European civilization has a founding father, it's either Jesus or Socrates, depending on your point of view. Both were executed by the state for subversive blasphemy. In the meantime we have had the so-called Middle Ages, the Reneissance, and the Enlightenment, followed by renewed onslaughts of oppression, and finally, the freedom we enjoy today. Surely we haven't come all this way just to sell out the saving grace of European culture for temporary convenience and the privilege of selling dairy products to despicable dictatorships.

Sorry if I sound high-strung.

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Thu Feb 2nd, 2006 at 05:45:58 PM EST
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From across the Atlantic it is good to see a continent's newspapers standing up to an onslaught from religious fundamentalists, I wish ours would here against our own fundamentalists.  I think this is an excellent post and admire the strong stand in the defense of freedom of speech.  We are having a bit of trouble hanging on to our freedoms over here and are hoping to get back in control of our senses and make some amends.

I've been lurking here for a while and this is my first post so let me say that myself and many of my friends look to Europe for encouragement and admire the freedoms you enjoy.  Not to mention the train system.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 01:03:05 AM EST
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However taking my daughter to the train this morning at 07.15 in minus 18 centigrade  was not much fun...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 02:44:22 AM EST
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You can have whatever rules you want in your house, but we live in a small global village together. I suppose you have the right to draw posters which you know your neighbours find offensive and affix them on your house's windows facing outwards.

So, we know what the rules of the house are. What are the rules of the village?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 05:10:47 AM EST
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