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Can I shout "fire" in a crowded theate as a joke? Could I drag apig's head through a synagog? Can I draw yellow stars of David on Jewish owned shops? Can I demand the right to daub swastikas on the gates of Auswitz?

No, you cannot shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater, because you would be putting other people's lives in danger, thus violating their rights.

You can, however, drag a pig's head through a synagog, if you own the synagog.  That would make it your property and not that of the followers.  You cannot draw yellow stars on Jewish-owned businesses, because you don't own them and, if you did so, those Jewish people would have the right to sue you and possibly seek prosecution.

Again, you, of course, cannot daub swastikas on the gates of Auschwitz, because you don't own it.  It does raise an interesting question, though:

Can I paint offensive material on the outside of my own house?  My answer is a resounding "No!"  Here's why:

Even if you were doing so on the walls of the outside of your own home, you would still be violating the basic rights of others, because you would then have assaulted others by dragging down their property values, to say nothing of the possible prosecution for inciting violence (in the case of swastikas).

You're more than welcome to argue that Jesus fucked his own mother, and I'm sure it would be used by many Southerners to justify sleeping with their cousins.  (I know, I know.  Low blow.)  And I encourage you to publish a comic showing Jesus raping small children.  That is most certainly free speech, and the rise you would get out of the Vatican would keep me entertained for weeks, I can assure you.

No one, as far as I can tell, is denying Muslims' right to protest.  As I said in a comment on my diary, I'm happy -- "thrilled" was the word I used before, I think -- to see them involved in politics that way.  I am, however, furious about the threats that have been made against Danes in Saudi Arabia, EU officials in Palestine, and the newspaper staff.  If someone pulls a gun on me, and offers a credible threat to kill me (and/or my family), I'm going to do everything in my power to kill that person first.  Everyone has the right to defend himself or herself, and the Palestinian gunmen were lucky that the EU showed restraint.

Being offended by a cartoon is no excuse for threatening to kill innocent people -- most of whom were not even involved.  All that those who have threatened violence have accomplished is to alienate even more people and provide more ammunition to those who hate them.

I don't hate them -- I'm all about the Love-Thy-Neighbor-ism of Jesus, even though I'm not a Christian -- and I completely understand why they are so offended by these cartoons, but this is bullshit, and it is exactly why I wrote the column on the insanity that the faithful are led to when they get too deep into their religions.  And, frankly, any god who would have his followers kill those who insult him is no better than Stalin or Mao, as far as I'm concerned.  And anyone who takes their god that seriously needs medication and a psychologist.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 12:27:47 PM EST
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You are a property rights fundamentalist :-)

Have you read John Stuart Mill's discussion of property rights?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 12:34:16 PM EST
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I am, in that "property rights" does not refer only to (say) my house or my car but also to my body and my fundamental rights as an individual.  People -- not you -- sometimes get too caught up on the word "property".

I read Mill a long time ago, so I'm sure I would remember what he said if I read it, again.  What'd he say?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 12:40:58 PM EST
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I mean, I was struck by the fact that your objection to posting antisemitic slogans on my house stemming from the fact that it lowers the property values of my neighbours' houses. I'll quote Mill when I get home.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 12:47:17 PM EST
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What did Mill say... Well, about 20 pages at the beginning of Book II of his Principles of Political Economy.

I was thinking of the part where he says, after considering how Communism might work, the principle of Private property has never yet had a fair trial in any country; and less so, perhaps, in this country than in some others. The social arrangements of modern Europe commenced not of just partition or acquisition by industry, but of conquest and violence: and notwithstanding what industry has been doing for many centuries to modify the work of force, the system still retains many and large traces of its origin.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 06:17:30 PM EST
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