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I have not seen any evidence to discredit the notion that Jyllandsposten was either ignorant or deliberately insulting. The fact that now, over 4 months later, they issue an apology saying they never intended to offend, means little. What did they say back in October when the outrage was entirely confined to Denmark?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 04:15:33 PM EST
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In fact, most of what I read about the decision to commission the cartoons indicates that the intention was to insult and/or offend.  It seems to me that Jyllands-Posten picked a fight with the local Muslim community, although it may not have expected that the local Muslim community would turn to its big brother for backup....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 04:49:34 PM EST
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I would have expected such things from Ekstra Bladet, but then again I don't know much about Jyllandsposten. My girlfriend, way back when, used to read Politiken.

Politiken, by the way, reports today that Flemming Rose of JP and a certain Imam Abu Laban debated the issue on BBC's Hard talk for the first time. There has been a monumental failure of dialogue within Denmark if it takes four months and anti-EU turmoil in the middle east for the protagonists to meet in the BBC.

Wikipedia quotes the test that accompanied the 12 drawings on JP:

The modern, secular society is rejected by some Muslims. They demand a special position, insisting on special consideration of their own religious feelings. It is incompatible with contemporary democracy and freedom of speech, where you must be ready to put up with insults, mockery and ridicule. It is certainly not always equally attractive and nice to look at, and it does not mean that religious feelings should be made fun of at any price, but that is less important in this context. [...] we are on our way to a slippery slope where no-one can tell how the self-censorship will end. That is why Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten has invited members of the Danish editorial cartoonists union to draw Muhammad as they see him.
The timeline is also worth looking at. It includes
28 October - The police are notified by a number of muslim organisations, claiming that the intention of the publication of the cartoons has been to "mock and deride" the muslim faith, something the Danish penal code prohibits (§ 140).


guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 05:17:38 PM EST
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Again according to wikipedia:
Despite informing Danish media that he would try to stop the boycotts, the leader of the organisation [Islamisk Trossamsfund], Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, went on to state during an interview with Al Jazeera that "If the Muslim countries decide to boycott and if the Muslim citizens feel it's their duty to defend the prophet, then it is something we can be happy about".[51]. In a press release dated February 2, 2006, Abu Laban said that during the interview he was referring to Muslim respect for Muhammed, not the boycotts. [52]. Ahmad Abu Laban has previously been declared officially unwelcome in several Arab states.


guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 05:21:57 PM EST
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Ahmad Abu Laban has previously been declared officially unwelcome in several Arab states.

Well now that's interesting.  Wikipedia says he's PNG in UAE and Egypt "because of his Islamist views."

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 06:38:06 PM EST
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Many "firebrand" preachers come to the west because they find it easier to practice their religion here than in their home countries. This was pointed out in the UK press after the 7/7 bombings and the deportation hearings of Sheik Omar Bakri, who enjoyed refugee status from Syria.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 06:40:52 PM EST
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Well, and Egypt has a long time-honored tradition of tossing Islamists in jail and leaving them to rot there for years.  So between the two, I guess if I were Abu Laban, I'd choose Europe too.  Freedom of speech and all... ;-)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 04:49:22 AM EST
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Politiken, by the way, reports today that Flemming Rose of JP and a certain Imam Abu Laban debated the issue on BBC's Hard talk for the first time. There has been a monumental failure of dialogue within Denmark if it takes four months and anti-EU turmoil in the middle east for the protagonists to meet in the BBC.

That is truly shocking.

Also, thanks for pointing out the timeline.  It's certainly important to note that the Danish penal code forbids "mocking and deriding" a religious faith, and that some Muslim groups tried to pursue the matter through legal avenues before turning to protests.  I have not seen either of those facts reported in any of the news coverage on this.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 06:25:11 PM EST
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I have not seen either of those facts reported in any of the news coverage on this.

does this seem merely coincidental?  just sloppy journalism?  or selective reporting?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2006 at 06:40:51 PM EST
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Well, good question.  I don't know.  If I'm feeling charitable, I'd say that it's just a complicated story that evolved over many months, and so some of the earlier details get left out of the stories about the latest developments because there just isn't space to go into all the background.  The problem is that the international press didn't much cover the earlier developments.  So the background is virtually unreported.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 04:53:11 AM EST
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