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  • As I wrote before, there are offenses that are obvious to all, and then there is a grey area of ambiguity, which one can abuse or not. I am saying that we are definitely in the grey area, and saying that only one side of the debate has the right to say which way to lean from there is silly. It's like letting George Bush define what a patriot is, it's unilateral disarmament in that debate;

  • Well Americans are being caricatured as bombing civilians. I myself posted such a caricature by Plantu (I cannot find the link right now) of US war planes bombing Iraq and asking "can't they be grateful?" - and if anybody sees some one in a plane bombing civilians, s/he is likely to think they are Americans. Similarly, the only thing most people hear about the Arab world is yet another suicide bombing somewhere. Sure, it only reflects our ignorance, but it's a fact, and the caricature of someone with a bomb immediately brings to mind Palestinian or Iraqi suicide bombers and not Danes or sub-saharan Africans.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 04:50:49 PM EST
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I do not agree with your second paragrah but I see what you mean and it is clearly not crossing the line though at first read it really sounded racist. I knew you would have an explanation.

And again, the point I will disagree with you to no end is  the first. Who is to decide what is in the grey area and which things not? For me , we are clearly NOT in a grey area here. This is pure racism as fas as I can see (two clearly .. I must admit that a third one could be in the grey depending on how you see it).

I bet that most of the cartoon in the Middle East are not considered at all racist by a great majority.. more or less at the same rate that people in Europe do not consider these cartoons racist. So who is to decide what is blatant? A judge , you will answer.. a judge that in Europe is comletely biased against muslims and pro-catholic and pro-jews and in the Middle East is just the other way around.

Either you stablish complete free of speech or you just wirite down clear laws about restriction of racist comments and how to identify it. Sorry jerome you can not get it both ways: when it is blatant (as I see it) it is fine to be banned , when it is not (as I see it) we should defend it to no end.

And with this I think I have made clear my argument..No point in keep banging on it. I have made up my mind about you and I guess you have made your mind about me...

Talk to you again...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 05:28:33 PM EST
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Well, I am not offended by much, and I think that religious - and other slef-righteous - people are much too easily offended, and thus become pains for others.

For instance, I am not offended by this (which is the cover of that album on the Holocaust which was banned by the Spanish supreme court):

(The title itself is great - an ironical comment on Godwin's law)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 05:37:12 PM EST
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I also do not get offended by racist comments.. I am white :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 05:41:34 PM EST
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of an offense that is obvious to all?
by observer393 on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:35:33 AM EST
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