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Re: Blasphemy overflow thread (4.00 / 3)

Well, from the same sources, I see the "activists" on either side in a 7:5 ratio, which makes a pretty big minority.

As to the catholic church, it's never been a state church in France... The issue is not the institutional framework, but the willingness and ability to barge into the political debate, and Islam is certainly barging in these days - and often it's not even coming from French citizens or residents!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:20:22 AM EST
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Re: Blasphemy overflow thread (4.00 / 2)

Have you forgotten about the persecution of the Huguenots? Between the 16th and the 18th centuries in Europe, the monarch was the state and there was state religion even in republics (like in Geneva under Calvin).

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:24:55 AM EST
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Or when the King was Pope!

by Samir on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:30:14 AM EST
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Or when the King of England invented a new religion because the Pope wouldn't grant him a divorce. Apparently people in England still think (as I read in the Evening Standard opinion pages) that the reason Catholics were persecuted in England was because they were "terrorists" instead of terrorism like Guy Fawkes' Gunpowder Plot stemming from the persecution unleashed by Kings and Lord Protectors alike.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:36:18 AM EST
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of course Henry VIII was also King of part of modern day France ;)

by Samir on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:52:32 AM EST
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Re: Blasphemy overflow thread (4.00 / 2)

I was only replying with respect to France.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:35:57 AM EST
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And the Huguenots were persecuted by the King of France. Unless you want to argue that France came into existance in 1789.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:37:20 AM EST
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Re: Blasphemy overflow thread (4.00 / 2)

I see the "activists" on either side in a 7:5 ratio, which makes a pretty big minority.

I saw it more like 13:7, Or 13:6 when I was just reading through and not commenting myself. Anyway, 7:5 is still an objective minority.

As to the catholic church, it's never been a state church in France...

I'm not sure about the precise terms, but France was the 'eldest daughter of the Church'.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:48:04 AM EST
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