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I have not said you're a selective bigot. I said you react to bigotry selectively.

Just being my usual undiplomatic self. Good thing I don't draw cartoons, edit newspapers or meet with ambassadors.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:55:21 AM EST
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We can react to bigotry every minute of every day. There's a lot of bigotry everywhere in the world. But these cartoons were not originally printed by anyone in a position of power, nor a major media organ, nor by a dangerous entity that represents a threat to the rights of others.

In that case, we might as well rail against other insignificant slights that abound. As I said earlier, I liken this to the ACLU's defense of the KU Klux Klan, a group I clearly find reprehensible. But I don't bother protesting them, even as I think their right to have political marches should be guaranteed.

Let's face it, this tempest exploded when a heretofore unknown tiny newspaper caused a wave of protest. It's perhaps not ironic that the protest itself caused the images of Mohammed to proliferate around the world. In other words, the protest itself spurred the supposed "mass desecration of the prophet" to its exponential maximum.

by Upstate NY on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 12:50:00 PM EST
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I think you confuse the first re-publisher, the Norwegian paper, with Jyllandsposten. The latter is Denmark's largest paper.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 12:54:47 PM EST
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It depends on your perspective. According to Gallup's most recent numbers Jyllandsposten has 557.000 daily readers. That makes it one of the largest Danish newspapesr. If you take an international perspective, however, that makes it really really tiny :)

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by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 01:22:00 PM EST
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BobFunk, I'd appreciate it if you could correct any factual errors, misinterpretations, misrepresentations or omissions in this thread.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 01:31:18 PM EST
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Let's not get into whether Denmark's largest newspaper is "a tiny heretofore unknown newspaper". </snark>

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 01:25:13 PM EST
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Right, maybe I did confuse it. I read however that the Danes themselves take a rather skeptical approach to the original newspaper. Regardless, it's absolutely fantastic that we're all considering what the editors of these papers might have set out to accomplish. I mean, really, this has been overblown.
by Upstate NY on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 04:22:34 PM EST
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The ACLU does not claim that the KK is not racist, do they? They just defend racists because they believe that any encroachment on freedom of speech will eventually erode their own.

In the case at hand, too many people are claiming that this is purely an issue of freedom of speech, which I think it's not. Jyllands-posten, in my opinion, decided to use its freedom of speech and its position as one of Denmark's papers of record, to provoke the muslim community of Denmark.

As I am not a muslim but I am a secular European, it is Jyllands-posten behaviour, not that of the muslim extremists issuing death threats, that reflects on me by association, and therefore that is the side that I concentrate on criticizing. Especially when I see freedom of speech used to protect bigoted attitudes, only to turn around and issue a half-hearted apology when a boycott starts hurting Denmark's economic interests. At its core, this is an issue of power.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 01:24:56 PM EST
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The ACLU doesn't comment on the KKK's beliefs. It's immaterial to the ACLU's interests.

By bringing up the KKK, I'm trying to make the same point that jyllands-posten's action should be immaterial to the discussion of free speech. Frankly, I've never read the newspaper, nor do I care to. nor do I condemn them because they are so far beyond my scope, I wouldn't bother. For all I know, they are a right-wing Nazi newspaper.

Freedom of speech is sued to put forth bigoted attitudes all the time, especially from obscure corners (as I have heard the mass media Danes portray this particular newspaper). I simply don't see why this particular instance of bigoted free speech merits so much exposure.

by Upstate NY on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 04:20:52 PM EST
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Jerome, I am really sorry I came out so harsh.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 05:11:59 PM EST
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Thanks, Migeru.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2006 at 05:44:47 PM EST
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