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If America begins closing to foreigners, it will be in trouble.
Sorry to break the bad news to you, Drew, but if my experience over at the University of California is any guide, this has already happened.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 06:23:46 PM EST
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It's in the beginning stages.  9/11 and rising xenophobia are the culprits, I'm guessing.  That's sad, since UC is, from what I've read, a great system.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 12:35:46 PM EST
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Well, yes, it hasn't "happened" yet. But our very own Democratic Senator Feinstein was one of the first to blame 9/11 on the student visa program and called fora 6-month moratorium. The UC must have given her a phone call, or something, but foreign students now routinely miss university deadlines (which are graciouly extended) because of overzealous immigration officials, get stuck abroad after vacations because their visas fail to be renewed (on time or at all) and have a heck of a hard time actually functioning in the US because research assistants (who are paid from grants as opposed to teaching assistants who are on payroll) can no longer obtain a Social Security Number.

Not to speak of the chilling effect that the awareness of rising xenophobia has on applicants, as well as the growing antipathy for all things American courtesy of the shrub.

Really sad...

And, on top of that, up-and-coming graduates like you and MfM give serious thought to emigrating for advanced study because of economic and political reasons...

I wonder how long it will be before the brain drain officially reverses. The massive outsourcing of white-collar jobs out of the US isn't making matters any better.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 12:43:52 PM EST
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My reasons for emigrating are certainly not economic, since British academics are paid far less than American ones.  A professor of business economics in America earns somewhere around $180,000/yr. on average.  A British one would be lucky to see half of that.  (I can certainly live with that.  God knows most people live on far less.)  I'm emigrating for political reasons, partly -- though it's not like Tony Blair is a huge departure from George Bush these days -- but also because I've always wanted to live and study in the UK and spend time in Europe.  I would've preferred London, because I love large cities, but it's so incredibly expensive to live there these days.

The entire visa process is a mess out in California, and I can't stand Diane Feinstein.  I wish Cindy Sheehan had decided to run against her.  everytime I see Feinstein on "Meet the Press" or "Face the Nation," she spends an hour debating without actually saying anything important.  Feinstein is like Hillary Clinton, but even more of a Republican-lite piece of garbage.  I don't know why we can't get any strong, liberal Democrats to run in ultra-liberal California.  The state is a lock for Democrats.  If you win LA and San Francisco, you've practically won the state already -- and the Democrats always crush the GOP in those two cities.  And yet we keep getting these weak-kneed Know-Nothings in the House and Senate.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:12:29 PM EST
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The economic reasons I was referring to are the fact that even overseas fees in the UK are less than you expect to pay for graduate school... If I understood some of what you've posted before correctly.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:30:29 PM EST
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Ah, that's true.  Housing is also cheaper in the area.  Fees are fairly high for economics grad schools in America, especially, I'm guessing, for out-of-state students.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 02:17:25 PM EST
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We actually know someone who rents rooms to students in a couple of houses they own in Nottingham. Let me know if you have trouble finding accommodation.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 05:34:02 PM EST
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That'd be great.  Thanks.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 07:27:39 PM EST
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... and maybe not you, specifically, but moving to Europe makes complete economic sense for anyone with a health problem.  Even at the pay rates you mention, if you had a chronic condition or had a wife or child with a chronic condition, it would make financial sense to move.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:38:25 PM EST
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That's certainly true.  Canada as well.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 02:18:16 PM EST
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