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It's a far-from-perfect comparison.  You're right.  But the fact that food is a necessity and smoking is doesn't change the other fact -- that both smoking and overeating are unhealthy.  Everyone needs to eat.  They don't have to overeat, so I maintain my point about the regulation.

Now, that 70% of people don't smoke, and don't want to be around smoke, doesn't change anything.  They can still demand that the owner ban it in his pub, or they can accept the fact that people are going to smoke, or they can leave.  They're not forced to go to the pub.  If you siphon off that 10% from multiple bars, I have very little doubt that you could probably make a profitable business.

Most major cities in Britain, from what I've seen, are much larger than the city I live in, in terms of population.  (Greater Nottingham, alone, is roughly six times the size of Tallahassee, and I don't think Nottingham is very large by English standards.  I could be wrong.)  We have many smoking and non-smoking bars, some right next to each other, and all are profitable.  (It's a college town.  There are a lot of bars.)  I'm sure the market would be large enough.

Non-smokers shouldn't have to work in smoke-filled offices, and they don't.  They don't have to take the job.  Again, I stand by my point that, if someone takes out a loan to start his or her own business, he or she should be able to set these sorts of rules, because it's that person's money and credit on the line.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 12:57:46 PM EST
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Non-smokers shouldn't have to work in smoke-filled offices, and they don't.  They don't have to take the job.
You just threw out health and safety regulations in the workplace, Drew. Something is wrong with your premises if you keep reaching these conclusions.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:00:26 PM EST
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I did?  How so?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:13:57 PM EST
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According to you, there's no need to institute health and safety regulations because (paraphrase) "workers don't have to work in unhealthy or unsafe conditions: they don't have to take the job" and, moreover, health and safety regulations interfere with the operation of the market.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:39:52 PM EST
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I don't think they interfere too much with the market in the case of (say) legislating against companies who produce diseased chickens.  However, workers, at least in America, lobbied their bosses for health and safety regulations privately in the past (in addition to lobbying for legislation) back in the 19th Century.  In many cases, companies improved standards to avoid Congress and the president taking action.  (They took action anyway.)  Workers also have the ability to sue companies for these sorts of things.

Nonetheless, your point is well taken.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 02:12:44 PM EST
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