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I'm assuming the Maghrib would stay in the Arab League.

Israel has its best shot as an EU enclave surrounded by the Arab League.

What about the Caucasus (including Kurdistan)?

I'm thinking there would be room for the various central-asian Istans to band together. Iran is an oddball because it's Shiite, but if it becomes democratic that should not be a problem.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 06:58:33 AM EST
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Is membership of the Arab League incompatible with EU membership?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:01:28 AM EST
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NATO membership isn't.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:02:14 AM EST
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NATO? What NATO? ;-)

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:05:57 AM EST
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I'm assuming some core of the Arab League would become a political union. The Maghrib states would essentially have a choice.

There can be a Mediterranean trade and cooperation area that straddles both EU and AL, but that is a different story.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:03:53 AM EST
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Why a choice? I'm playing here but the key condition for EU membership is implementation of the Acquis Communautaire and some sort of agreement of how much cash and access you're going to get as you're brought up to speed. If you imagine an Arab League that was a similar sort of surpa-national organisation why could states not be in both, assuming that the membership requirements weren't contradictory?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:08:20 AM EST
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Their "Commission-level" politicians would have conflicts of interest in EU-AL diplomatic deals. Imagine the nightmare if they also stayed part of the African Union.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:13:35 AM EST
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Conflicts of interest or abilities to mediate?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:16:40 AM EST
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Ok, ok, why don't we wait for my diary? We're polluting Slaboymni's.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:18:32 AM EST
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Yes boss.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:19:35 AM EST
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In my book the key condition is sharing "European allegiance, identity or interest", whatever that means.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:19:48 AM EST
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Well, if we talk of the long term and imagine peace and democracy spreading I can see some parts of the Maghrib wanting to join the EU.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:01:34 AM EST
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Yes, they definitely would have a choice. But the linguistic, religious and cultural affinities are just not there with the non-mediterranean EU members.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:05:23 AM EST
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I'll wait for your diary on the topic.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:07:04 AM EST
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What are the cultural links between Ireland and Greece? Or Ireland and Hungary?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:13:17 AM EST
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The short answer is <shudder> Christianity.

Don't the Irish get taught in school about the GrecoRoman roots of Western civilization?

I'm sure I can come up with something about Ireland and Hungary. Let's see: Chritianity (Catholicism, actually); Indoeuropean Language.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:16:56 AM EST
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Would that be the Christianity that was born in North Africa?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:17:53 AM EST
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You mean St. Augustine?

Anyway, be sure I'll draw heavily from Richard Fletcher's writing of Richard Fletcher.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:25:11 AM EST
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I'm sure I can come up with something about Ireland and Hungary. Let's see: Chritianity (Catholicism, actually); Indoeuropean Language.

DANG. No, no Indo-European language here. Finno-Ugric. (Finnish and Estonian too.)

Personally I see no problem with an EU in which cultural ties aren't all-encompassing. (And Morocco long wants to join.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 08:40:41 AM EST
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D'oh!

Agreed, ties can be geographical, cultural, historical...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 08:46:21 AM EST
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Israel has its best shot as an EU enclave surrounded by the Arab League.
Holy shit, this is the Crusader States, redux.

This king of thinking is part of why the EU needs to involve itself heavily in the Israel-Palestine issue, especially on the status of Jerusalem.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 07:11:41 AM EST
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The Maghreb - in fact the whole Mediteranean area is definitely long term EU material.

I also think that South America is more likely to join the EU than to join North America in any organised polity. Cuba will be a flashpoint for a long time...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 09:51:10 AM EST
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Are you assuming a bipolar world?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 10:08:55 AM EST
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by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 10:29:08 AM EST
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