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it's just mindless UK bashing once again:


These diaries are designed to show the UK on the verge of collapse, anti-European and inferior to the rest of Europe. "They are trying to rouse the sleeping economies of Europe with their vile Anglo-Saxon economic solutions." This is endlessly repeated because it plays to the meme that anyone who supports America, even when it was Clinton, is undermining Europe.

Much of the information is extracted from quality UK newspapers and journals with their excellent analysis and who are quite prepared to be critical of UK policy - especially that of the liberal left (the Financial Times and the Economist are like the Wall Street Journal in terms of politics) It is then overlaid with comments like this diary that the analysis is saying, "Stoopid foreigners... Evil, evil evil." It doesn't, but why spoil a good story.

Few of these diaries look at the critical self-analysis of France in Le Monde and other French papers, nor this type of analysis in the Financial Times.

It all goes back to de Gaulle and his feelings of inferiority at the end of the World War 2 - or perhaps even to Agincourt  :)

These diaries get highly recommended because people enjoy the UK bashing - teach 'em right for having allied itself to the States. In the Autumn, the gas crisis was going to bring UK industry and its economy to a halt. It never did. But, again, why spoil a good story.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:18:23 AM EST
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One day you are going to have to come clean on exactly what is going on between you and Welshman, even if doing so would be bad for your blood pressure.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:21:32 AM EST
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He's jealous because I get more recommends than he does on dKos.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:24:46 AM EST
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Well, this comment got my Welsh blood pressure up.

However, Welshman does claim the comment is tongue-in-cheek, in good humour, wink wink etc.

It's going be nice, though, when he writes something really funny to disguise the underlying resentment.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:24:10 AM EST
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it's just mindless UK bashing once again:

Your energy posts do rather read that way Jerome. Welshman may have wrapped his point in gentle humour but he does have a point.

Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
by RogueTrooper on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:20:15 AM EST
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How do you manage to read that into it? Bashing the prophets of the free-market? Yes. Ridiculing the UK government? Hell, yes. Bashing the UK? Where?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:24:08 AM EST
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It doesn't read that way Coleman.

In fact, these threads never read that way.

Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying

by RogueTrooper on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:29:58 AM EST
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I'm afraid I don't understand your comment. Do you mean it doesn't read as an attack on the prats writing the article?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:31:45 AM EST
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No-o-o-o... We're not back on that again?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:26:42 AM EST
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Why not? We've revisited "ET is anti-Slavic" over the past week...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:29:12 AM EST
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I think I'm going to start complaining that ET is anti-Irish because there isn't enough coverage of Irish stories. And Alex in Toulouse keeps posting anti-French stories with the Internet freedom stuff.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:30:40 AM EST
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That won't work, you have to actually believe it.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:32:44 AM EST
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...with the continuous prattle about Holland...
by Nomad on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:55:53 AM EST
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And Ritter's photographs.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:56:51 AM EST
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...are fine. It's the accompanying text that does it.
by Nomad on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 10:00:11 AM EST
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What a bunch of sissies...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 12:58:40 PM EST
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Fuck off, Magyar.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 03:56:07 PM EST
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If you want to be insulting you have to call him a Hun.

That's like trying to piss off Nomad by calling him a Netherlander.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 01:36:29 AM EST
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I'm starting to understand why some blogs have flame threads on a voluntarily basis with a competition for the most creative insult.
by Nomad on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 06:33:11 AM EST
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But that's no fun. It's not real.  Pretend combat is no good. Which is why I'm not a fan of sports.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 06:36:59 AM EST
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I don't think it's done because it's fun, but as a conduit to keep disruptive interactions out of "productive" threads.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 06:38:48 AM EST
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"productive" threads.

Not something we need to worry about then?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 06:40:58 AM EST
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That's like trying to piss off Nomad by calling him a Netherlander.

Well, I thought he is trying to piss me off as an apatriot...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 09:22:17 AM EST
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there is some of that in my writing (chalk it, charitably, to the everlasting Franco-English feud), and that's precisely why I flag it myself often (like here), so that it can be taken into account properly and, hopefully, discounted.

These deconstruction exercises are first and foremost about an ideology that I think is fair to say most of us here on ET are fighting. But the fact remains that this ideology has been pushed by the right in the US and the UK, and has entered the mainstream of these two countries as "common wisdom", and there is an element of national superiority in pushing that ideology, especially against the designated opponent, the French (or alternatively the "Rhenan" countries), the country(ies) which (used to) have the most coherent competing economic model.

It is Wall St and the City against Bercy (the French Ministry of economy and industry), and it is London and Washington against Paris and Berlin - even if by all means not all English agree and not all French disagree with those we've been calling the freemarketistas.

So yes, I react as a Frenchman who sees his country mocked and brought down on a daily basis in the name of a dangerous ideology, and that plays a role. But please also admit that that ideological assault also has a real anti-continental bent, as exemplified by Thatcher's famous quote:


This century, all the problems of the world have come from the continent and all the solutions from the English-speaking world.

It's up to us to manage this tension between the ideological fight and the national rivalry. You are right to flag what you see as abusive generalisations or attacks from me, but please don't forget the context.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:45:34 AM EST
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