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We do have welfare in the US, well, we did, but that's another discussion. During the Johnson era the point was to prevent children from growing up in poverty, even if their parents were poor. Very commendable.

I never bought into the cliched notion of the "welfare queen" and I don't think most women actually had more kids just to collect more money, though I suppose it might be true in some cases. I haven't studied the issue, honestly.

Giving money to rich families escape me. You do have means-testing with RMI and all kinds of warranted and useful social subsidies already, I really don't see the "detestable precedent" / "wrong precedent".

The notion that the President of, say, TOTAL gets allocations if he has 5 children baffles me.

by Lupin on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 11:52:33 AM EST
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Wealthy people in France also pay higher taxes (including high property taxes) and the ratio of CEO-to-janitor income in French corporations is less than in American corporations. It's all part of a consistent system.

Except that all these things are being eroded in the name of who knows what.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 11:57:31 AM EST
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He's just getting back some of what he's paid in taxes. Not much of it either. Anyway, he's not getting it back. His children are.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:01:45 PM EST
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So you get a tax break if you breed?

Still seems odd to me.

by Lupin on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:07:16 PM EST
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Doesn't the US give you deductions for dependents?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:07:53 PM EST
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I just worked it out for myself! :-)
by Lupin on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:09:43 PM EST
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they are small and phased out to zero as income increases
by tomcunn (tomcunn@execpc.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 09:55:37 PM EST
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Mind you, come to think of it, the number of exemptions in the US tax system also function as a tax break according to the number of dependents.

Hmm.

It does show that we take a lot of things for granted until confronted with an outsider's viewpoint.

I stand chastised.

by Lupin on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:09:05 PM EST
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In Ireland, the point about it being paid to the mother was important for a long time as well. Obviously in families that worked well it didn't matter, but in a family with drink or other problems it could be literally  a life saver, especially when the man of the house was paid in cash weekly and would go and drink most of it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:11:29 PM EST
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That is very interesting. I didn't know this before. I can certainly see the reasoning behind it. Hopefully it no longer applies (applies less?) today? Thanks for the info.
by Lupin on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:15:09 PM EST
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Applies less. It could be a factor for the middle class as well as I say. Control of finances used to be a powerful way for a man to exert control when women didn't have economic freedom. It's less powerful now.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:21:57 PM EST
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If you're rich it's a flat rate tax refund. If you're poor it's a cash payment.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:16:53 PM EST
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