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As a matter of cultural interface I urge you to write a diary about this, because it is one of the biggest chasms between the US left and the European left.

It's a really emotive and difficult subject to communicate on, because it goes to the heart of the deepest assumptions in society. It will doubtless be a horrendously flame-filled debate, but hey, ET survived talking about Iran and Cartoons, I'm sure it can survive this one.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 02:23:09 PM EST
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I don't really feel competent enough to pontificate over this.

I will say, however, that my philosophy is for the State to provide assistance and encouragement or chastisement, not manage by proxy.

Or else let the State run its oewn business, like SNCF, Airbus, etc. Then they can make their own rules.

I think the French are really wrong over this, but it's their country.  Well, mine too, now.

Exceptions for matters of public order and general welfare, of course.

by Lupin on Sat Mar 18th, 2006 at 05:32:16 AM EST
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Hm, I have to point out, that like me, you're already pontificating... ;-)

As it happens, I think you're really wrong over this and claims of "management by proxy" are just hyperbole.

I'd put it to you that in fact your basic premise is that "employment relations are not in Lupin's view contributary to the health of society, therefore is no role for government in regulating them" and I would take an opposite view.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Mar 18th, 2006 at 06:55:55 AM EST
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I don´t know...
Mind you I don´t know enough about the student protests in France...

But coming back to your comment.
First of all, "management by proxy".
Reading the stories about CEOs retirement benefits, buy-out benefits, "golden parachuts" (? spelling), aren´t CEOs of large multinational companies acting as "proxy owners" too?
(I won´t even mention their - sometimes ridiculously - huge direct and indirect salaries.)

And why are the share prices of a company rising as soon as they announce a lay-off? With nobody at a stock exchange even analyzing if the lay-offs make sense in the long term? Instead of in the next quarter?

In my experience - I´m an engineer in Germany - some of the lay-offs inevitable involve needed and important service and design personal. Giving us much poorer service and help in the future...

("Right now, we´ve got only four two-man teams available in Europe for regular service and emergency repairs. So you might have to wait a month or two..."
"Well, they did retire the most senior design and construction engineers so right now we´re just scrambling to rediscover their wealth of knowledge..."
"You know, the company was sold to GE - General Electric - and they suddenly raised the prices for spare parts by 300%..."
Just some of the things I´ve heard in last few years.)

Of course, profits will rise in the short term - hooray for the current CEO! - but will hurt the company in the long term IMO.

Not to mention the fact that in a "hire and fire" society, not a lot of companies will spend money to educate and qualify its workers. If you do it, a competing company can just lure away your most qualified workers. Using some of the money they saved by not educating anyone. Leaving you with the costs and no profits from it.

If however firing people is made somewhat harder, it makes sense for a company to educate and qualify them for more demanding work. Provided that every company faces the same regulations. Although I do admit that the same requirements make it harder for "new" people to find employment.

It certainly isn´t a perfect solution!
Let me just remind you though that Germany is doing pretty well on exports...
A lot better that the USA...

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Sat Mar 18th, 2006 at 05:00:48 PM EST
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