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Part of this is just cultural differences. Think of it as the flip side of what a liberal American gets when talking about how France should deal with issues of race - there suddenly the left wing French person sounds like a right wing American ;)

Here the idea that private companies should be able to fire at will is taken as a given. It's just not controversial.  Lefties want higher government benefits, progressive taxation, and stronger unions - all of those are part of the left wing political culture here, but protection against being fired just isn't, except for public sector jobs, and that has to do with preventing the creation of political patronage systems.

And if I might hazard a criticism of my own. Unions are being presented here as representing the general good. I don't think they do, nor should they. Their job is to represent the interests of their members. I find the idea that they somehow represent the interests of society as just as crazy as the neoliberal delusion that management does. The reason that I want stronger unions is because I believe that that is the only way for employee bargaining power to be balanced with that of management.  But that's it.

 I do think that coverage of France in the US sucks, which is why I've avoided wading into this debate until now - why nitpick when you mostly agree, plus my knowledge of economics is pathetic ;)

by MarekNYC on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 10:39:24 AM EST
The unions generally raise the standards for everyone, which is why people tend to think they're net good for most people. I don't think it works that was in the US ... partially because the unions' concerns aren't codified in law but are reflected in local contracts that may only apply to union members(?).
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 11:03:12 AM EST
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In Europe unions are likely to take progressive political positions outside their main area of concern, which is collective bargaining in their sector. In the US unions are purely out to defend the interests of their members, progressive politics be damned. One example that struck me was that some union or professional association of American prison guards was vocally in favour of tough-on-crime policies leading to more incarcerations and hence more jobs for them. This goes beyond collective bargaining into influencing social policy in decidedy non-progressive ways (especially given how the criminal justice system is stacked against minorities and the poor), and is something I could not imagine a European union doing.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 11:11:21 AM EST
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Here the idea that private companies should be able to fire at will is taken as a given.

I think we realize that, Marek. But what is astonishing is how deep this cultural difference runs, how impossible it seems for Americans who hold it (not all do, of course) to even conceive that another way of seeing this might exist on the face of the earth. In other words, it seems to me that it's one of the constitutive myths of America -- freedom, rugged individualism, mobility, the businessman-as-hero -- all these are dovetailed in there. Other countries don't do things the American way? That's absurd, they're crazy, etc.

Otherwise, I think you're right about unions. But precisely, balancing employees' bargaining power with management is a pretty important contribution, imho, to the well-being of society at large.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 11:06:15 AM EST
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