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The other possibility is a selection effect: the people in that sector are far more likely to take the test and post their results. Don't know why that would be, except maybe that the general feeling on dKos is that you're meant to be in that quadrant so people don't admit they're not for fear of appearing socially undesirable. However Kos himself is well within our mainstream by score and would (I suspect) consider many of our opinions wacko-left.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 05:24:08 AM EST
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Actually, to me it points up, once again that this is a test based around the US consensus.

As an example of a question like this:

"Public broadcasters should never receive moeny from the state." (I can't remember the exact wording.)

In the UK at least, whilst there is a set of people who are so anti-BBC they might vote "Strongly Agree" it is practically assured that most people will vote "Disagree" or "Strongly Disagree" because the number of people who believe that the BBC should get NO state funding is very small. The problem is, this question does nothing to discriminate (for example) between Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and SWP in the UK, but it will clearly put US Dems in the left and US Repubs on the right because this is something they have a sharp disagreement about.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 01:01:16 PM EST
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It would get a certain amount of sympathy here I suspect.

In any case, it's meant to be global. The Tories haven't been all that far right traditionally.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 01:03:59 PM EST
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I'm not saying that it's a true "unthinkable" in the UK context, just that it's really not the level of discriminator that it is in the US context. And I think that's true for a lot of the questions. If you sit with them and think carefully about European society then it's hard to be "Strongly Agree/Disagree" with the way they have phrased their economic questions.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 01:08:27 PM EST
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Well, the selection effect actually chimes with Atlantic Review's recent observation that it's only the US rightwingers that have an interest in European views and affairs.

i.e. The graph of the community is largely accurate, so long as you extrapolate up from 130 to a bigger number and realise there are enough outliers on the right to make a conversation.

Atlantic Review's experience is it's only those on the right who really read/comment on European issues (and I would argue on foreign affairs generally.) Since those are the diaries we actually look at, it follows that we would experience a more "rightward" dKos than we would expect.

Dammit, I should really write a diary for him, but I think his deadline is too tight at this time.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 02:05:54 PM EST
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Why is it only those on the right that care about European issues? Is it because progressives are isolationists, or too busy worrying their domestic problems (and who can blame them)?.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 02:16:44 PM EST
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Well, it's his theory, not mine (and indeed I'm not sure if I buy it completely, although his anecdotal data is quite compelling) so I don't know if I'm a good person to answer this.

With that caveat:

  1. Part of it certainly is that a lot on the left are isolationist. Some are just in the historical US tradition of isolation, other are that way in reaction to the sheer tawdryness of US foreign adventures from REagan onwards.

  2. In terms of dKos diaries, some are just too busy, I know I can barely keep up with the diaries here on ET, so this is a serious effect.

  3. Sometimes good people just say little when they have little to say, whilst the emptier cans rattle louder.

  4. There is a definite sense that the Repubs have managed to make "cheese eating surrender economists" politcally toxic in the US. Thus, there's a reluctance to be seen supporting multilateralism or European style economics. It's unAmerican! Under such unconscious pressure, sometimes people just go quiet.

I think (4) is a big one. The US is filled with pronouncements about life in Europe. It's hard to see how you could live in that atmosphere and then argue "we need to pull the good things out of the European model and implement them here." It's even harder in the foreign policy arena I suspect.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 02:45:09 PM EST
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Wasn't the Atlantic review issue only concerned with US/German relations ?

Politics has to be relevant and comprehensible. Foreign politics, like domestic politics, are only meaningful in so far as they impact you as an individual. So berating citizens of one country for being disinterested in the politics of countries with minimal impact on their life is kinda beside the point. I doubt the British have much more awareness of German politics than Americans do.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 05:15:47 AM EST
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