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Well, as I remember we have introduced each other before, and coming from Prishtina gives me the "in-person" advantage of the experiences and information. In response to your question, I can truly tell you that noone in my family, nor the families of my friends have more than 3-4 children. Of course there is a difference between people living in the villages and those in the city. However, no "tribal chief" (tribes in Kosovo?? villages maybe) told anyone to make 10, 5 nor 2 children.

You cannot give specific figures for the past 50 years, but there are differences. There are families with 12 children, but there are many other families with 2. It is a part of the culture and that is what people decided to do. There is no conspiracy theory that they made babies in order to do something against the Serbs. In fact, one sad thing that I often heard was that mothers would say that "three of their children were for Milosevic, and the rest for her" prompting that those for Milosevic would be killed at some point. But I do not want to get into that discussion.

My only point in these comments is to create some kind of balance to your comments, as I regard them quite belligerent. I understand your attitude and your idea of the Albanians and why it is such, but I am trying to give you some truthful information of what it really is like.

BTW, I am sure that you are very aware that "Shiptar" is a derogatory word (very offensive actually) and would be considered a snark.

by AmonRa on Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 at 12:03:52 PM EST
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In fact, one sad thing that I often heard was that mothers would say that "three of their children were for Milosevic, and the rest for her" prompting that those for Milosevic would be killed at some point. But I do not want to get into that discussion.
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But I want to...Did patriotic Albanian mothers said the same thing during Tito's dictatorship? So now Kosovo looks more like Palestine...was that your intention to show it in that light here?
Do you have some exact numbers how many Albanian children (or youngsters)  Milosevic exactly killed prior to 1999 and how many of Albanian children have been actually born and grown as a "gift" to Milosevic during those cca 10 years of his governance?
Now again I look like devil's advocate just because I can't swallow propaganda. WHO EVER COMMITED WAR CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED is my policy but I would like to see facts. And when you find something like this:
Albanian casualties:
Ploughshares 2000: 2,500-10,000
How is this for facts? Or even information...If in fact those 7,500 Albanians really had been killed I would like to know who did it and I would like them prosecuted! Even if it was ONE single Albanian killed in a "war crime manner" it's one too much. But how do we know? I can't say I see any reliable documented sources anywhere...
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However, no "tribal chief" (tribes in Kosovo?? villages maybe) told anyone to make 10, 5 nor 2 children.
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You may trick people who actually do not know Albanian customs but not those who are familiar with it.
Albanians have very strange solidarity amongst them and it's not always on voluntary bases. In financial sphere some may call it racket (spelling?)  but they call it donation I suppose. Strange kind of solidarity goes much further that finance. And yes their "tribal" roots (as well as for example Montenegrins) are pretty strong. In a way it's good for them. I suppose "tribal chief" or community leader in modern language does not need to say much...They know in advance...
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BTW, I am sure that you are very aware that "Shiptar" is a derogatory word (very offensive actually) and would be considered a snark.
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Well yes. They call us (Greeks, Italians, ex Yugoslavs and others) WOGs here in Australia. We are a little bit too much "oriental" for them and yes it is derogatory too...We can live with it!
I wouldn't know why we call Kosovo Albanians Shiptars, or what that would mean but that's the way we call them. If you can't live with it I apologize to you!
by vbo on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 04:47:10 AM EST
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