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It's a little strange that I have such an aversion to sweetend drinks and super-sugary desserts.  Everyone else in my family loves them.

My mom grew up in the US Deep South, where they grow some sugar cane, and she passed on one of her favorite childhood treats to me.  When I was a small kid, every once in a while she'd obtain a big stick of raw sugar cane, and split it between my sisters and me.  We'd chew those sticks till they shredded, extracting every last bit of sweetness.  I love that memory.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 08:31:13 AM EST
mmm, my grandmother in India sometimes gave me that treat.

Of course, the ultimate oddity for me was that some people in the village used sugar cane to clean their teeth...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 09:43:49 AM EST
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In Hawaii, where i lived for 5 years and much sugar cane has been planted...it tends to really such the nutrition out of the soil. But, it is easy to grow...and it was fun to chew on a cane stick once in awhile.

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by whataboutbob on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 09:48:28 AM EST
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Oh, I forgot about Hawaii, but I guess those fields of sugar cane are part of my mental image of the islands.

Do you know whether they burn it there before they harvest it?

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 10:17:33 AM EST
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by whataboutbob on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 10:45:56 AM EST
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It seems that the rising value of land in Hawaii is making growing sugar cane uneconomical. The land can be sold for housing. When I visited several years ago there were quite a few closed sugar cane processing plants.
Here is a photo of one of them from my web site:
Sugar Mill

Another stupid place where sugar cane is grown is Florida. The ecological destruction is well-known and the crop would not survive if it weren't for government subsidies.

In the US, industry (and agriculture) is all for an open, competitive, market, except in their particular sector. Then, special treatment is OK.

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 10:20:40 AM EST
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land prices haven't been the big issue on Kauai.  main problem is that even with price supports at roughly 21 cts/lb, they just can't make a decent return.  If they had to compete with foreign sugar, they'd disappear tomorrow.  That's starting to change as more and more sugar is being converted to fuel ethanol.  The world price is up from 8 cts/lb to more like 15 the last time I looked.

Most of the former cane land on my island is still unused.  Steve Case (of AOL fame) bought 30K acres from AMFAC (the last one to go bust) and hasn't done much with any of it so far.  Thousands of acres in other areas are sitting idle as well.  We do have 1 of the 2 remaining plantations in the state (out of about 30 in 1960).  Much of this plantation's cropland is leased from the state for pennies/acre so land costs arent't the problem.  It's labor/shipping cost to market and inefficient operations.  They are going to be rescued by a mandate to have 10% ethanol in gasoline from this summer though.  

Not to argue that the land isn't worth 100X in development than in sugar or pineapple.  And development is proceeding in areas like Koloa (where the very first sugar was grown here) but not in such size that it would preclude a plantation if economic.

by HiD on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 03:44:29 AM EST
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Perhaps land is being held aside in expectations of even bigger increases in value in the future. If land appreciates at, let's say, 10% per year, and taxes are low (because it is "agricultural") then it pays to do nothing for the present. A 10% growth rate with almost no risk is not very common these days.

I was surprised to see little solar or wind development on my visit to Hawaii. On the sunny side of most islands this would seem to be ideal and on the rainy sides there seem to be fairly steady winds. Perhaps I just wasn't in the right places or didn't notice...

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:15:03 AM EST
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some of that is going on no doubt, but the bottom line is even with cheap dirt, the sugar plantations don't make any money even with a price propped up at 2X the world market.  If not for transportation subsidies on top of the price games, the last 2 plantations would have died years ago.  Ethanol may save them though.

Wind is coming.  The BI has a couple of decent sized farms and are doubling capacity.  Maui is adding a wind farm too.  Oahu has an older windfarm that was regarded as a dog, but stories have been circulating that they were going to replace the turbines and add new capacity as well.  Even on kauai our backward coop is now getting serious.

Solar is still 2X the price of oil fired juice.  Nobody is rushing to put in solar on a big scale.  More likely we'll jump into biomass as the ag lobby is strong.

by HiD on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 04:05:03 AM EST
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Wow... it would never have occurred to me to clean my teeth with sugar cane, but I've seen it done with other kinds of twigs that fray like sugar cane does, so it makes sense in that way.  You could get to those hard-to-reach areas....

Here's an interesting teeth-cleansing ritual.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 10:15:42 AM EST
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