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underestimate the brokenness of the UK political system and thus overestimate the political consequences of this issue for Gordon Brown.

Overall, the vast majority of "marginal constituencies" are in those areas doing well. The poor bastards who live in areas like here in South Yorkshire already vote Labour and have little option but to do so. The Tories are not going to do anything for places like this.

Of course, what should happen is the rise of a third party willing to tackle this divide. But, it hasn't happened yet.

It's worth noting as well that an ongoing migration into the SE has been continually subsidised by every government since Thatcher, which of course helps make it all a bit of a vicious circle.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:04:28 AM EST
Devolution would be great for the "rest of England". I can't understand why the few referenda that have been held on the creation of north-English "regions" have failed. Of course, you would need committed local politicians.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:08:17 AM EST
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Hm, well here in Yorkshire, the No campaign focussed on a few things:

a) Yet another layer of government, who is going to pay for it?

(linked to)

b) What is the point of another powerless talking shop?

(separate from)

c) Stirred fears in local councils that they were going to lose powers to the body.

d) Played on "national spirit" suggesting that what was really needed was an English parliament, not anything more regional.

That's about it really. The biggest factor was that there is a whole set of people in the UK who are very distrustful and disdainful of politicians and the No campaing was able to frame the idea as: "Do you want more of your money taken from you in taxes to pay another set of politicians in Newcastle/York/etc."

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:19:57 PM EST
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And an assembly appointed by the local councils wasn't a winning scheme?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:21:02 PM EST
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Well, it wasn't proposed. The great flaw of referenda is that they aare used to settle a specific proposal and then are generalised to "no one wants local governement."
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:30:22 PM EST
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The evidence from Spain's 28-year experiment with devolution indicates otherwise. The problem is that the yes camp did not really believe in what they were selling.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:21:59 PM EST
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Well, absolutely.

The Yes camp were useless, but the proposals were pretty weak too. Control freaks at Westminister were not willing to give the local assemblies enough powers to make them viable.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:31:11 PM EST
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A good point. I occasionally forget how unrepresentative it is. Anyway, I wouldn't expect him to lose, just maybe lose some seats, opening himself up to a challenge. You're probably right though, unless reducing public spending - or reducing its rate of increase - causes some really bad fault-lines.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:09:12 AM EST
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It would be really funny to see him lose his own seat. Without multi-seat party lists that is always a possibility ;-)

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:17:48 AM EST
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Which might make this part of the article, which I didn't quote, even more important:
After much effort, the Office for National Statistics now produces figures for gross value added per head at the level of parts of UK cities and small rural areas. Again, these provide little comfort for Mr Brown. The figures for 2003, released late last year, also show conclusively that the richest areas tended to have benefited from faster growth since 1997 than poorer areas.

Prof Andrew Henley of Swansea University studied the figures up to 2001 in great detail. He found that the economy under Mr Blair and Mr Brown was diverging faster even than it had under the then Mrs Thatcher in the 1980s. "It's shocking, really," he says. "Despite EU structural funds [for poor areas], we had more dispersion between 1995 and 2001 than between 1977 and 1995."

What seems to be happening, according to Prof Henley, is a divergence on a local as well as a national level: "Just as London and the South-East are pulling away from the rest of the UK, so Cardiff is pulling away from the real periphery in Wales."

The pattern becomes clear from a simple analysis of the hot spots in the economy and the weakest localities. Half of the 10 top performing localities were from London and the South-East and they all enjoyed increases in prosperity per head of 3.5 per cent or more a year on average since 1997.

In contrast, 11 localities have suffered a decrease in gross value added per person since 1997, and four of the bottom five are in far-flung parts of Scotland or Wales.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:11:32 AM EST
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