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Jeesh, DeAnander, where the hell were you when I got in a big ol' brawl here over American poverty?  I really could've used the some authoritative backup, I can tell you!  :-)

This thing about the American unemployment statistics keeps coming up.  I keep saying I think the statistics are rubbish, but I only have anectdotal evidence, common sense, and some scattered statistics for poverty and some inner-cities.  Do you have any handy links for where, exactly, the 4.8% is debunked?  I'd be forever grateful.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 01:44:44 AM EST
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Jumpin' Jehoshaphat, Izzy, where were you when ET discussed these things?1

Take a look at the wiki: Economics Page (scroll down to topic Measuring unemployment and employment). There's a section on America. Also, Colman's diary Comparing unemployment statistics is on America too.

I contributed some information in this comment. It contains links to further information and discussion of American unemployment.

On the "dropped out of the market" people, a die-hard warrior of the marketista tribe, Diana Furchtgott-Roth of the Hudson Institute2, makes out that the rise in the number of these "disappearing jobless" shows the success of the American economy, since Americans are now prosperous enough for moms to stay home and bring up their kiddies (which is what they always wanted to do, huh), and for youngsters to stay longer in school.

1I know where you were really, you were in there fighting the good fight!
2The link to Furchtgott-Roth's screed is now broken. The Hudson Institute never seemed very proud of this "rebuttal" to Katharine Bradbury's study (pdf). I had a job getting hold of it, and now they seem to have pulled it. I'll email a copy to anyone who really, really wants one.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 02:31:12 AM EST
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What?  You mean... I was vindicated?  I must have still been loopy.  Thanks, afew!  

D. Izzy

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 02:45:40 AM EST
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btw, I should explain that I was too exhausted to re-visit that diary or to really read Colman's, which I should have.  The last thing I remember was you and I arguing over whether or not media should provide narrative.  That never was resolved, was it?  It's been nothing but open-thread joking and Olympics since then...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 02:49:51 AM EST
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Oh, and yes please, I'd very much like it if you'd email that to me, but only if it's no trouble.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 02:52:32 AM EST
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Shoot, nevermind on the email.  I just re-read and realized it wasn't what I thought.  I really should resist commenting this late at night!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 02:55:04 AM EST
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Sweet dreams!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 03:19:34 AM EST
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Our discussion, which, iirc I dropped because we were stuck in a subthread at the bottom of a mine somewhere, was about whether and how we should use story to counteract the media's use of it. You're right we should pick that up again. I haven't got time right now for a diary. And, to be truthful, I'm not sure my thinking has settled down on this yet.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 03:18:49 AM EST
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On the "dropped out of the market" people, a die-hard warrior of the marketista tribe, Diana Furchtgott-Roth of the Hudson Institute2, makes out that the rise in the number of these "disappearing jobless" shows the success of the American economy, since Americans are now prosperous enough for moms to stay home and bring up their kiddies (which is what they always wanted to do, huh), and for youngsters to stay longer in school.

Note, however, that in Europe that's called "low labour participation" and a bad thing.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 02:59:09 AM EST
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