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Well, I believe Baisse-Navarre is part of France, isn't it? Otherwise, DADVSI is going to get France into even more international legal trouble ;-)

Believe it or not, I only learnt that the (protestant) King of Navarre was King of France in the 17th century when I saw La Reine Margot years ago.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 12:37:05 PM EST
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I fully believe you, in fact I only corrected myself here above when I remembered that Daniel Auteuil was Henry IV and not III, in that movie.

The expression indeed comes from Henry IV as I checked on Wikipedia and saw that the title "King of France and of Navarre" starts with him and indeed stays up to the revolution.

I just find it incredible that it's still used today. You stumble upon it here and there.

I mean it wouldn't even be a valid expression if Navarre was only in France, as that would make it redundant. And since Navarre is not only in France, it makes the expression somewhat imperialistic!

by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 12:44:12 PM EST
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Well, he was Henri III de Navarre et IV de France.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 12:52:31 PM EST
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Ahhh so I get a B+!

I googled the exact expression "de France et de Navarre" and it returned 228 000 hits:

(a bunch of historical hits) and hits such as...

"list of hotels of France and of Navarre"
"librarians of France and of Navarre"
"message to islamists of France and of Navarre"

etc etc

Basically it's still used outside of purely historical applications.

by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 12:57:52 PM EST
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