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I still do not understand very well the origin of Basque people...and how much actually they have in common with other people of Spain (heritage etc.) I know language is not the same but hey they are not alone in this situation.Sorry I probably missed something you already wrote and am shamefully uninformed on the issue generally, I admit. Is this situation similar and to what extend with Kosovo?
Thinking about this problem (generally) I at some point come to the conclusion that (maybe) ALL the people everywhere around the world should have referendum and decide where they want to live and how. It would be nice if it isn't a fairytale cause not only that we wouldn't know where to start organizing those referendums on "self-determination" (today's borders of states and even of territories are far from being fair and realistic, anywhere) but mess that will occur will not be fixed for centuries...Practically ALL of the borders on the globe would need redefinition and this mean a lot of people would need to be moved simply cause they would not feel safe regardless of all guaranties ( because of the bloody past)...
Why I do not support Kosovo independence? Because I don't think any minority should have exclusive right on self determination .It is FOR ALL or for no one...
The other thing that makes me wonder what to think on this matter is that demographical and political and economical situation is changing during the time (we on the Balkan witnessed that so many times in history) so how often we should actually have those referendums on "self determination" even if we find a way how to make them fairly? Every 20 years? Or 40 years? Or...?
When I get furious I have an urge to say " Give them a bloody Kosovo and build highest wall in the world so that a single Albanian can't EVER again step on Serbian land"...But then again I am not stupid enough to see this as a way to solve this problem...Like great USA and Israeli politicians with their walls (Mexico and Palestine)...
The world is nowhere near cosmopolitan civilization...or peaceful one ...just opposite...nations fear the other nations will over number them and overrun them economically, culturally, military...in any may. Few months ago when there was discussion in Australian parliament about " morning after pill"  one of Howard's backbenchers (woman) publicly said that if we have a free "morning after pill" in this country Australia will be Islamic state in I don't know how many decades. Later she was pushed to apologize for this racist statement (that also made me furious) but what can I say, was she right? Probably yes...She did her job, gave a message to the white people and apologized as PM should in one democratic country...
21 century started in fear and I don't want to know where it will end (luckily I'll be dead, ha-ha but I am scared for my children and grandchildren).
I wouldn't know what to vote here...really...  
by vbo on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 06:39:37 AM EST
The Basque were there before the Celt migrations. Nobody knows where their language comes from: it's so archaic it has 20 cases. Also, the genetic makeup of the Basque seems to be slightly different: the prevalence of negative Rh blood type is much higher than in the rest of Spain.

I suggest the Wikipedia article on the topic.

The Basque right wing is in many ways more Spanish than the Spaniards (more Catholic, more traditionalist). This is explained throgh their association with Carlism. PNV has no small number of skeletons in their closet regarding Carlist cooperation with Franco during the civil war.

The Spanish language originated near the Basque country, and it is theorised that some peculiar [with respect to other romanic languages] phonetic and grammatical features have their origin in Basque.

There is an Episode in Don Quixote in which him and Sancho meet a Biscayan. This is an invaluable peek into the atttitudes of Castilliand towards Basques around 1600. Cervantes makes fun of his accent, for instance.

Basque nationalism in its present form was invented by Sabino Arana in the late 19th century. IMHO there is no question that there is a distinct Basque people, but they have been part of Spain since the very beginning and not particularly "oppressed". I would blame the Bourbon kings and then Franco for the real or perceived grievances at the core of the current "Basque conflict", but that is a topic for my planned diary on the suppression of the Spanish nationalities.

Hope that helps.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 07:01:45 AM EST
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Oh, by the way, the Industrial Revolution in Spain happened in the Basque Country. Bilbao is where the heavy industry (steel) developed. PNV represents the political  interests of Biscayan capitalists.

A lot of mainstream Catalan and Basque nationalism is related to the nationalism of other wealthy regions (like Northern Italy, for instance). ETA is different: it self-describes as socialist and has its roots in anti-fascist (anti-Franco) resistance.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 07:20:47 AM EST
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Industralization helped them recall the time when Catalonia controlled the mediterranean sea...Weird Stuff happens, isn't it?
A pleasure.

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude
by kcurie on Mon Mar 27th, 2006 at 12:40:53 PM EST
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Thank you...this was very informative...
by vbo on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 08:27:07 AM EST
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Fascinating Wiki article - I filled in a gap in my knowledge tonight... thanks!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 06:11:39 PM EST
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