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that's the portion of youth that have to work while being students.
Excuse me, Jerome...

Let me give you a little multiple choice test:

That's the proportion of youth that

  • have to
  • choose to
  • are able to
  • do
work while being students.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 09:28:13 AM EST
So should I edit to "that work"?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 09:49:17 AM EST
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Unless you are prepared to argue persuasively for any of the other options.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 09:55:20 AM EST
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a lot of the youth are students, and they do not need to work to pay for their studies.
This is a topic for another diary: how much does education cost, and who pays for it, in different countries.

We lambasted the UK and the Netherlands for lowering their unemployment statistics by shunting people off into "disability", so why can't we argue that shunting people into "study" is not artificielly lowering youth unemployment?

I am not saying that is the case, just that this is an issue that needs to be explored. And I don't believe over 60% of Danish students need to work to pay for their studies. There are cultural and social factors at play here.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 09:59:24 AM EST
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Actually, Jerome, what does Part des combinations etude-emploi (stages, cursus en alternance...) actually mean, exactly? The mention of stages in particular makes me suspect we're misinterpreting the data.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 10:15:31 AM EST
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I seem to remember commenting on this when this graph first came out here. This is about people doing study and work in a vocational training context where the work is part of the training. These might be internships tied to a course of study; or "alternance", referring to a legally-defined system of work interrupted by periods of study, leading to a professional qualification.

In other words, if you're saying this graph isn't about students who also have part-time jobs to get by, you're right.

As to whether these students are included in the employment figures, I don't know. I suspect some may be listed as students, others as having a job, depending on the type of course they're doing.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 28th, 2006 at 11:57:16 AM EST
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