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The pope threw in his weight today. He will receive Berlusconi, Casini and then Mastella ten days before the elections.

A similar lop-sided interference in an Italian election has no precedent. Ratzinger should stick to his flock and wealth and mind his own damned business.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 05:19:03 AM EST
It is really annoying how the Vatican acts both as a sovereign state and as a church depending on what is most convenient at any given time. The pope gets to have its cake and eat it, too. Why did the political unification of Italy stop at the Pope's gates?

If the Vatican is a sovereign state, are Catholic priests foreign agents? When the national Conference of Bishops demonstrates against a law passed in Parliament, is this foreign meddling in internal affairs? Are Catholics who put their loyalty to the Church above their loyalty to their country traitors?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 06:04:37 AM EST
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If the Vatican is a sovereign state, are Catholic priests foreign agents?

LOL!

...or, maybe no laughing matter at all?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 06:19:17 AM EST
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No laughing matter at all for me, that's for sure.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 06:30:30 AM EST
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Are Catholics who put their loyalty to the Church above their loyalty to their country traitors?

As an apatriot, I...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 06:20:17 AM EST
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You may be an apatriot, but there are laws in the books to protect the state...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 06:31:22 AM EST
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Leaving a small amount of autonomy to the Pope was a calculation to keep the France government relatively quiet while Cavour and the Savoia kings were publically backstabbing them (France was officially in charge of defending the Church, but the bulk of the French troops were busy elsewhere when the attack on Rome was launched).

In the short term, that move was wonderful: the european diplomacy let Cavour get away with murder almost unscathed. The Pope was furious but isolated, and resorted to knee-jerk reactions like forbidding any catholic from voting for the Italian parliament. Until Mussolini came around and "reconciliated" the parts to get support for his power takeover, the Vatican State looked like an anachronism that would not survive another 20 years of economic and diplomatic starvation. You can add another crime to his list.

by toyg (g.lacava@gmail.com) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 01:00:48 PM EST
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The Pope has a loooooong story of interference, from 1946 onwards...
by toyg (g.lacava@gmail.com) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 12:51:59 PM EST
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The Vatican has always meddled in Italian affairs, but it appears that no pope had granted an audience to party leaders during elections with the exception of Pius XII. He received Gedda several times in '46 and '48.

The latest news is that neither Berlusconi nor Casini will attend the audience which was allegedly organized last September for the European PPE delegation.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Mar 6th, 2006 at 04:39:33 PM EST
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